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Re: Taking another round at @summary

From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:49:28 +0100
Message-ID: <4B446AB8.4080907@gmx.de>
To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
CC: John Foliot <jfoliot@stanford.edu>, 'Jonas Sicking' <jonas@sicking.cc>, 'Denis Boudreau' <dboudreau@webconforme.com>, 'HTML Accessibility Task Force' <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, 'HTML WG Public List' <public-html@w3.org>
Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
> 
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 5:06 PM, John Foliot wrote:
> 
>> Really? Last I checked *none* of ARIA has been incorporated into HTML5...
>> the only attributes that <table> can take (according to the current draft
>> - http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/tabular-data.html#the-table-element) are the
>> "Global Attributes" -
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/dom.html#global-attributes - and @summary.  
>> Oh,
>> and I double checked at the current Editor's Draft as well -
>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-table-element - and 
>> nothing
>> seems to have changed.
> 
> HTML5 has incorporated all of ARIA for some time, and all aria-* 
> attributes are allowed on any element, as long as they don't conflict 
> with strong native semantics.
> 
> Here it is in the latest Working Draft:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/embedded-content-0.html#annotations-for-assistive-technology-products 
> 
> 
> Here it is in the Editor's Draft:
> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#annotations-for-assistive-technology-products-aria 
> 
> 
> John, I know you must be aware that ARIA is in the spec because this has 
> been discussed many times at great length, on the mailing list, at the 
> telecons, at TPAC, and so forth. These discussions were before, during 
> and after the inclusion. I think maybe you are getting a little 
> over-passionate about this issue, and as a result perhaps generating 
> more heat than light in this thread. Now might be a good time to take 
> some time out, and then come back later and see if you can communicate 
> your points in a calm and fact-based way.

Well. John checked the definition of <table>, plus the section about 
global attributes, and didn't find aria-*. So maybe there's something 
that needs to be enhanced here?

With respect to the original discussion: you are right that this is a 
permathread, so it would be good to have this issue resolved following 
our decision policy.

Best regards, Julian
Received on Wednesday, 6 January 2010 10:50:10 UTC

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