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Re: suggestion for abolition of <hgroup>

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:33:07 +0000
Message-ID: <AANLkTi==UhLG-uFcB1TaDYap7rQb3fvVoYX_XhEQqsjU@mail.gmail.com>
To: James Graham <jgraham@opera.com>
Cc: Bruce Lawson <brucel@opera.com>, Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
Hi James,

> <section>
> <h1>I am a heading</h1>
> <h2 subtitle>I am an unamusing subtitle</h2>
> </section>
>
> What happens if there is no non-subtitle heading?
>
> <section>
> <h2 subtitle>I am having an identity crisis</h2>
> </section>

make
<h2 subtitle>I am having an identity crisis</h2>

without a previous sibling heading a conformance error and modify the
algorithm so it ignores the subtitle attribute if the heading it is on
does not have a previous sibling which is a heading

> It also seems like people might mistakenly use it for subheadings rather
> than subtitles:
> <h1>I am a heading</h1>
> <p>I am some text headed by that h1</p>
> <h2 subtitle>I am a subheading</h2>

make
<h2 subtitle>I am a subheading</h2>

without a previous sibling heading a conformance error and modify the
algorithm so it ignores the subtitle attribute if the heading it is on
does not have a previous sibling which is a heading

regards
stevef


On 2 December 2010 10:30, James Graham <jgraham@opera.com> wrote:
> On 12/02/2010 11:15 AM, Bruce Lawson wrote:
>
>> So, let's make it explicit - so people like Leif who do want adjacent
>> headings in a header but not suppress one in the outline. But instead of
>> a weird grouping element, let's have a subtitle attribute that people
>> can use to suppress a h1 .. h6 from the outline.
>>
>> This
>>
>> <h1>BruceLawson.co.uk</h1>
>> <h2 subtitle>Gorgeousness in a gimp mask</h2>
>
> Interesting idea. It leaves open some edge cases though. Presumably if you
> have a <section> with a heading the subtitle is the subtitle of that
> section:
>
> <section>
> <h1>I am a heading</h1>
> <h2 subtitle>I am an unamusing subtitle</h2>
> </section>
>
> What happens if there is no non-subtitle heading?
>
> <section>
> <h2 subtitle>I am having an identity crisis</h2>
> </section>
>
> It also seems like people might mistakenly use it for subheadings rather
> than subtitles:
>
> <section>
> <h1>I am a heading</h1>
> <p>I am some text headed by that h1</p>
> <h2 subtitle>I am a subheading</h2>
> <p>I am some text that is expecting to be headed by the h2 but is actually
> headed by the h1</p>
> </section>
>
>



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