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Re: ISSUE-48: UA-q-quotes - suggest closing on 2009-09-03

From: Martin Kliehm <martin.kliehm@namics.com>
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:18:55 +0200
Message-ID: <4A9FDE5F.3060300@namics.com>
To: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
As consensus was reached in last week's telcon to close Issue-48, I've 
filed two bug reports as promised.

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7490 (q element)
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7491 (blockquote)

Cheers,
   Martin


Martin Kliehm wrote:
> Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
>> ISSUE-48: UA-q-quotes - Should user-agents generate quotes for the q 
>> element
>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/48
>>
>> This issue raises two complaints: (a) the draft instructs authors to 
>> add quotes to Q elements manually; and (b) the draft makes no clear 
>> user-agent recommendation regarding blockquote. I believe both of 
>> these issues are now addressed, and the interoperability issue with Q 
>> is addressed. The rendering section now requires that user agents add 
>> quotes to Q elements:
>>
>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#punctuation-and-decorations
>>
>> Since rendering is generally specified and BLOCKQUOTE doesn't require 
>> adding quotes, it should be assumed UAs are expected not to add 
>> quotes, as would be consistent with existing practice.
>>
>> Thus, I believe the problems raised by this issue are solved in 
>> current drafts. I suggest closing.
> 
> a) The current draft 
> (http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-q-element) says:
> 
> Quotation punctuation (such as quotation marks) must not appear 
> immediately before, after, or inside q elements; they will be inserted 
> into the rendering by the user agent.
> 
> I think this could be phrased less ambiguous along the line of this:
> 
> Authors SHOULD not use quotation punctuation (such as quotation marks) 
> immediately before, after, or inside q elements, because user agents 
> MUST insert them into the rendering, unless the default rendering is 
> overridden by CSS.
> 
> b) The current draft 
> (http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-blockquote-element ) 
> doesn't have any recommendations regarding the blockquote element. I'd 
> suggest:
> 
> [...] Content inside a blockquote must be quoted from another source, 
> whose address, if it has one, should be cited in the cite attribute. 
> [NEW]User agents MUST NOT insert quotation punctuation (such as 
> quotation marks) into the rendering.[/NEW]
> 
> I'd appreciate if any people who are more experienced than me would 
> shape this text into something that is suited to go into a draft. When 
> the current draft is reflecting some wording to that effect I wouldn't 
> object closing Issue-48, but I think amending is necessary before that 
> can be done.
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