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Re: ISSUE-76: Need feedback on splitting Microdata into separate specification

From: Shelley Powers <shelleyp@burningbird.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:13:45 -0500
Message-ID: <4AD72E19.6060101@burningbird.net>
To: public-html@w3.org
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> The HTML+RDFa folks have voluntarily put this specification into a
> separate document, so it doesn't increase the size of the HTML5
> spec--that people don't have to wade through the spec, just to find out
> how to use the basic HTML markup. They have done so, both for HTML5, and
> for the spec. No one, not even those who support RDF/RDFa has suggested
> dumping Microdata. What has been suggested is that Microdata, like
> RDF/RDFa, like Microformats, which seemingly has done well as a separate
> effort, could be split out into a document of its own, and allowed its
> own chance to mature, and gain acceptance. More importantly, removing
> that component of the specification begins the process of trimming down
> what is too large and too complex a specification.
>
Speaking of IRC[1];

"# [15:44] <TabAtkins> Woah, woah, woah.  " No one, not even those who 
support RDF/RDFa has suggested dumping Microdata."  At what point did 
Shelley switch from being misleading to outright lying? 
# [15:46] <hsivonen> TabAtkins: citation-needed for suggestion of 
dumping microdata. 
# [15:46] <TabAtkins> Hmm, I'll go look for it. 
# [15:58] <TabAtkins> All right, point.  Nowhere that I can find does 
Shelley explicitly say that she wants to dump Microdata.  There is the 
point where she ragequit the group because of Microdata, and several 
places where she expressed that it was useless or similar, but nowhere 
where she actually said something along the lines of "We should kill 
Microdata".  "

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Oh for the love of furry peaches...I feel like I've walked into a web 
version of Jon and Kate.

I suggest that people might want to consider communicating with each 
other, directly, in the email lists. If they did, we may work through 
some of our differences. We may actually find we share some common 
interests. At a minimum, we may actually raise the maturity level of 
these discussions.

And I also suggest that people focus on the substantive issues in these 
discussions. In this particular discussion, regarding Manu's proposals, 
he does not suggest dumping Microdata. He suggests pulling it from the 
HTML5 specification into a separate document, and he went to the effort 
to actually make the edits, per previous request from the Chairs. I and 
other RDFa supporters are not disagreeing with him. That's the key 
takeaway from this discussion: we're not asking to dump Microdata, we're 
suggesting it be removed from the HTML5 specification and allowed to 
mature on its own.


Shelley

[1] http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20091015#l-392
Received on Thursday, 15 October 2009 14:14:22 UTC

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