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Re: HTML5 Issue 11 (encoding detection): I18N WG response...

From: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:45:47 +0200
Message-ID: <4AD316EB.5050807@xn--mlform-iua.no>
To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
CC: "Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>, Andrew Cunningham <andrewc@vicnet.net.au>, Larry Masinter <masinter@adobe.com>, "Phillips, Addison" <addison@amazon.com>, Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>, "public-i18n-core@w3.org" <public-i18n-core@w3.org>
Ian Hickson On 09-10-12 07.57:

> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote:
>> My understanding, from what I learned from Ian, is that HTML5 tries to 
>> make it easier to write a browser, without doing reverse-engineering. 
>> But the problem with the current "western demographic" wording is that 
>> browser implementers will have to re-engineer that term. As Leif 
>> explains in quite some detail, the definition is indeed quite circular: 
>> iso-8859-1 was designed for the iron curtain period Western Europe (with 
>> some limitations), and windows-1252 follows that that. But the term 
>> "Western" has many meanings, and is used much more differenciated these 
>> days, and languages completely unrelated to Western Europe (Kurdish, 
>> Swahili) use iso-8859-1 just because they fit in (and quite some more 
>> languages for windows-1252).
> I agree that we shouldn't mention Europe (and we don't), but I'm not sure 
> what term would be better than "Western". It seems to be a pretty good fit 
> based on Wikipedia's map:
>    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world
> Certainly not perfect, but I'm not sure what would be better without going 
> into extreme detail and listing specific countries.

Had you actually read that article, then you would have noticed:

that Greece + [entire!] Cyprus are included in the Western world;
that Poland is included (hint: Copernicus);
that Israel is included;
that the city were the Immanuel Kant was born is /not/ included.
that the article has warnings about not meeting Wikipedia quality 
standards and for not having reliable sources.

I smell that you - once again - are out after cutting linguistic 
corners, such as in the debate about URLs, URIs, resources and 
representation etc.

Quite dilettantish, actually.
leif halvard silli
Received on Monday, 12 October 2009 11:46:30 UTC

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