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Re: R2866 : better talk about "CSS display" instead of "CSS tables"

From: Olivier GENDRIN <olivier.gendrin@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:17:36 +0200
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To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Cc: public-html <public-html@w3.org>
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Ian Hickson<ian@hixie.ch> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Olivier GENDRIN wrote:
>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Olivier GENDRIN wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Looking at r2866 [1], I note the sentence "primarily using CSS
>> >> positioning and CSS tables." I think that it would be less confusing to
>> >> talk about CSS display instead of CSS tables (and more accurate from a
>> >> CSS spec point of view [2][3]).
>> >>
>> >> [1] http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=2865&to=2866
>> >> [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/visuren.html#display-prop
>> >> [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/visuren.html#positioning-scheme
>> >
>> > I don't understand why "CSS tables" is confusing, nor why it's inaccurate.
>> > Could you elaborate?
>>
>> It's inaccurate because many noob web designers ignore the others ways
>> of display content, beyond tables.
>
> Assuming you mean "beyond CSS tables", I don't think that's accurate at
> all. Few authors of any kind, "noob" or not, use CSS tables today.

I would like I do, but no, I'm really talking about HTML table used
for display by total beginner. And web designer could not use CSS
table yet because of the lack of support by the common browsers.

>> And because you are talking about "a variety of alternatives to using
>> HTML tables for layout" without telling about floats (widely used,
>> mostly because of the lack of support of display: table-cell).
>
> Using floats for this kind of layout is actually frowned upon by the CSS
> working group, so I don't think we want to encourage this.

What does the CSS WG advice to avoid HTML tables ? Do you have an URL ?

>> I propose the sentence "<p class="note">There are a variety of
>> alternatives to using HTML tables for layout, through CSS: <a
>> href="">positioning</a>, <a href="">floating</a> or <a
>> href="">display</a> mode (like display: table, display: table-row,
>> display: table-cell, but also inline-block, or run-in, compact).</p>".
>>
>> I hope I'm clear enough...
>
> I don't think that inline-block, run-in, or compact are suitable
> alternatives to HTML tables abused for layout, and I don't think we want
> to encourage floats. The result is the current paragraph.

Ok, I understand better your point of view, even if I think that
you're too careful.

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Olivier G.
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