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Re: <progress> element and attributes vs. content

From: Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:25:18 -0500
Message-ID: <dd0fbad0908141525n37d94db8g7e2fbe52b6176beb@mail.gmail.com>
To: Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc>
Cc: Lachlan Hunt <lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au>, Adrian Bateman <adrianba@microsoft.com>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Jonas Sicking<jonas@sicking.cc> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Tab Atkins Jr.<jackalmage@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Jonas Sicking<jonas@sicking.cc> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Lachlan Hunt<lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au> wrote:
>>>> Adrian Bateman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, August 14, 2009 10:46 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Adrian Bateman<adrianba@microsoft.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm also concerned about how fragile the content parsing rules may turn
>>>>>>> out to be in practice.
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is anecdotal, but to me it appears that they're rather robust, at
>>>>>> least for English.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this is my specific concern - how well does this work
>>>>> internationally?
>>>>
>>>> The parsing algorithm only supports using the full stop as the decimal
>>>> separator.  People from regions that normally use the comma as the decimal
>>>> separator, and who wish to use that notation for fallback, need to provide
>>>> the value in the attributes.
>>>>
>>>> So to represent the value 75,3%, they would have to use:
>>>>
>>>> <progress value="0.753">75,3%</progress>
>>>
>>> Then there is the thousands-separator issue, in Swedish it's common to write
>>>
>>> <progress>203'321 byte av totalt 1'048'576<progress>
>>
>> I'm wondering if it's possible to revise the algorithm to ignore
>> grouping glyphs commonly used internationally.  Even using the , as a
>> thousands separator, as is common in English, would break parsing.
>
> Actually, i noticed that "75 out of 100" is not a problem. The
> algorithm says that the maximum number is the higher of the two, and
> the current value is the lower.
>
> However that makes something like this fun:
>
> <progress>200 av 1,024</progress>
>
> Is that 20% (comma interpreted as thousand separator) or is that 0.5%
> (comma interpreted as decimal separator)?

Indeed.  ;_;  I hate the ./, swap between various continental languages.

I would be inclined to take the English tradition (, as thousands
separator, . as decimal separator) as the default, as it is more
common on the web than the other.  Otherwise, there is *literally* no
way to resolve the ambiguity.

~TJ
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