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Re: Begin discussions for pushing Last Call into 2010

From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:21:23 -0400
Message-ID: <4A834E73.4000300@intertwingly.net>
To: Shelley Powers <shelleyp@burningbird.net>
CC: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, David Singer <singer@apple.com>, Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>, public-html@w3.org
Shelley Powers wrote:
> Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:42 PM, Shelley Powers wrote:
>>
>>> OK, now I'm confused. According to Dan, I can't bring the issue up 
>>> now, unless I have new information. That's cool, I understand. In 
>>> which case, the only time I can bring it up, is when a decision has 
>>> been made on the HTML 5 specification, which would be following Last 
>>> Call. I could then bring it up as a Formal Objection. Even though I'm 
>>> a member of the WG now, I wasn't when this decision was made, so I'm 
>>> not acting in bad faith to object.
>>>
>>> However, you're saying I can raise this as an issue now?
>>
>> I think it's not appropriate to reopen the issue - issues can only be 
>> reopened based on new information, once they are closed. But if you 
>> want to make a Formal Objection, it would be appropriate to do so now, 
>> instead of waiting for Last Call.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Maciej
>>
> That may be what Sam is suggesting -- to raise the issue now as a Formal 
> Objection, not in the Issues database.
> 
> I can do that, but I thought Formal Objections normally came after a 
> publication, and the HTML 5 spec is still only a Working Draft. But I 
> could see how the vote was _a_ decision, and so a FO now would also be 
> appropriate.
> 
> Sam, which do you want me to do? FO or Issues, and when? I want to make 
> sure that what I do is done appropriately.

Formal Objections are associated with a decision, such as a decision by 
the Working Group or by a Chair.  A decision to publish is just one kind 
of decision.  As Dan indicated, a decision was made to include canvas. 
So, if you wish to go the Formal Objection route on that particular 
decision, now would be the time to do it.

I plan to ask for objections before Last Call.  As a member of the 
working group if you don't have an objection before Last Call, and then 
subsequently raise an objection after Last Call, and don't do so for 
reasons of information that wasn't known to you at the time I called for 
objections, then such an objection would be considered out of order.

I also don't want to waste the committee's time revisiting decisions 
which were previously made so however you wish to proceed, I would 
strongly encourage you to make your case based on information which was 
not known at the time of the decision.

I will also say that while I truly did not have an idea how the current 
poll would end up (and even though there does appear to be a trend at 
the moment, I'm still not certain), I do have a strong intuition on what 
the consensus would be on canvas at the moment.

> Shelley

- Sam Ruby
Received on Wednesday, 12 August 2009 23:22:06 GMT

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