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Re: My final attempt on explanation (was RE: [DRAFT] Heartbeat poll - update 2)

From: Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:08:03 -0500
Message-ID: <643cc0270908040508t6c7fe931x4f221c66ff8ea56c@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Cc: Jeff Schiller <codedread@gmail.com>, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Ian Hickson<ian@hixie.ch> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, Jeff Schiller wrote:
>>
>> What is being stated is that there is information pertaining to a table
>> that would be beneficial to non-sighted users but redundant (and
>> possibly distracting?) for sighted users.  Things like merged
>> columns/rows, quick synopsis of the 'axis' of a table, etc.  Do you
>> disagree with this?
>
> I think it is possible that such information could be constructed, but I
> think that in practice even accessibility experts are unable to actually
> draw the line between what fits that bill and what doesn't, and any
> feature that relies on average authors being able to make that
> determination is fundamentally too complicated to use, and we should not
> include it in the language.
>
>
>> > In practice, strictly structural data can be gleaned by navigating the
>> > table (if you watch usability studies if users with ATs reading
>> > tables, they quickly get a feel of the table by navigating it, without
>> > the need for a descripion of the table structure).
>>
>> It sounds like you disagree with the idea that spatial/structural
>> information about a table is useful for non-sighted users because you
>> watched some usability studies.  Please correct my assessment.
>
> I think the information is useful, but I don't think in practice it needs
> to be included explicitly, because the information will, based on
> usability studies I have seen, be derived by the user from the table
> structure itself.
>

This is the first I've heard you refer to usability studies. Can you
provide a link to these studies?

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Shelley
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