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Re: Implementing aria: -- examples and methodology

From: Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:20:28 +0100
To: "Anne van Kesteren" <annevk@opera.com>
Cc: "Aaron M Leventhal" <aleventh@us.ibm.com>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>, "public-xhtml2@w3.org" <public-xhtml2@w3.org>, w3c-wai-pf@w3.org, "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>, "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
Message-ID: <f5bzlq96ycj.fsf@hildegard.inf.ed.ac.uk>

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Anne van Kesteren writes:

> On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:54:51 +0200, Henry S. Thompson
> <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>  wrote:
>> Anne van Kesteren writes:
>>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 13:51:08 +0200, Henry S. Thompson
>>> <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>  wrote:
>>>> These tests were converted from the 'aria-' iCITA examples using the
>>>> above methodology, very easily, and work in IE 7 as well as Firefox,
>>>> Opera and Safari (and, with an edited and rebuilt accessibility
>>>> module in Firefox 3b5, with the ORCA screen-reader).
>>>
>>> These tests are HTML-only, use class names to work around styling
>>> deficiencies of your proposal and don't demonstrate at all that aria:
>>> is  somehow a better alternative to aria- in my opinion.
>>
>> Not so, please look again, there are two identical files, one served
>> as text/html and the other as application/xhtml+xml.  They both work.
>
> Very well, I should've been more careful. Though again, it relies on
> class  names to work around styling deficiencies of your proposal and
> doesn't  demonstrate that aria: is better than aria-. Just that it's
> more complex.

Um, no, the complexity is in the original (which uses aria-) and is
there to work around the fact that IE6 doesn't support attribute
selectors _at all_, regardless of how they are spelled.  Thus my point
that full interoperability respecting legacy browsers is _never_
simple.

ht
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