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Re: Dissatisfaction with HTML WG

From: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:12:15 -0600
To: Ben Boyle <benjamins.boyle@gmail.com>
Cc: Daniel Glazman <daniel.glazman@disruptive-innovations.com>, Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>, public-html@w3.org
Message-Id: <1199905935.12403.33.camel@pav>

On Thu, 2007-12-27 at 13:25 +1000, Ben Boyle wrote:
[...]
> I thought I would reflect -- as another author (aka "self-invited
> expert") -- on the original points of this thread: the concern that
> issues raised are being dismissed out of hand. W3C opened the doors
> for us to contribute (and this is fantastic, thank you), but I don't
> think anyone really knew how it would work.

Quite. Thanks for sharing your thoughts...

[...]
> I'd also like some cues on what to do, for example, when to read and
> comment on particular sections of the spec.

The chairs try to give cues once a week when we update
the issue tracker as input to the weekly teleconference
agenda. http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda

It's been somewhat heavy on design principles and requirements
and group process/logistics so far, but design issues are accumulating,
and I expect some of them will be ready for a group
discussion and decision in the coming weeks and months.


>  Hopefully in a timely
> manner that suits the editors, so we are then able to see and
> participate in the review/action resulting from that feedback soon
> after. That would help with feeling reviewing the spec was a useful
> contribution.

The average latency for comments on the HTML 5 spec is higher than
for most specs I have worked on, but I'm not sure that can
be helped. The size of the community around HTML is just huge,
and a large latency is somewhat natural, I'm afraid.

>  It's useful (for yourself) reviewing the spec just to
> get familiar, but I can't say I feel it is useful to the WG at this
> point.

Getting real work done naturally happens in groups smaller than...
where are we now... 492 group participants. I personally hope
to get involved in the html5lib parser test development effort.

It sounds like you're interested in working on tutorials.
As Karl pointed out, you're not alone there...

http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/tasks83/results#xtasks
"tutorial development, quick reference, course materials, ...   49"

> I think I'll just read mails for now. In 2008, I'd like to try
> tutorials. I don't know if that will be more useful but it feels like
> it could be productive. We've got Lachie's ALA article, are there any
> others out there? Are we keeping a list?
> 
> Enjoy the rest of 2007!
> cheers,
> Ben
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Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
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