From: <juan@canonicalscience.com>

Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:51:20 -0700 (PDT)

Message-ID: <45449.217.124.69.208.1208443880.squirrel@webmail.canonicalscience.com>

To: <public-html@w3.org>, <www-math@w3.org>

Cc: <bzbarsky@MIT.EDU>

Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:51:20 -0700 (PDT)

Message-ID: <45449.217.124.69.208.1208443880.squirrel@webmail.canonicalscience.com>

To: <public-html@w3.org>, <www-math@w3.org>

Cc: <bzbarsky@MIT.EDU>

Boris Zbarsky wrote: > juan@canonicalscience.com wrote: > >> Since now a CSS profile for MathML is under development with main >> browser rendering MathML via CSS now. This is not longer an issue. > > Some very simple MathML can be emulated via existing and proposed CSS. I have seen W3C official stress and torture MathML pages being fully rendered in some CSS 2.1 engines. http://xml-maiden.com/ > I have yet to see someone propose CSS that would allow the MathML equivalent of: > > \left(\sqrt{\frac{1}{2}}\right) > > in a reasonable way, complete with stretchy parentheses and square root. Not sure what you mean by reasonable. Are all renderings of roots and stretchy parentheses from W3C list of MathML [1] software reasonable? I link working links to images http://www.w3.org/Math/Images/amaya.gif http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mathml/screenshots/mathmail.gif http://www.dessci.com/en/products/webeq/misc/authorcomp.gif http://www.activemath.org/~paul/MathUI/pics/Luca_editex.png http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/EzMath/EzMathEditor.gif http://www.w3.org/Math/Images/MMLeqedXP.png http://mathcast.sourceforge.net/poster.png http://wme.lzu.edu.cn/mathedit/matheditview1.jpg http://www.terradotta.com/_customtags/_wysiwyg/iexplorer/uploads/complex_summation.gif http://www.w3.org/Math/Images/MATHMLEDscreen.jpg http://www.w3.org/Math/Images/OpenOffice.png http://download.freshmeat.net/screenshots/51839.png http://www.wiris.com/images/stories/screenshots/editor/wiris_editor_in_moodle_700.png http://www.antennahouse.com/product/img/mathml-sample.png http://helm.cs.unibo.it/software/gtkmathview-bonobo/gtkmathview-bonobo.png http://www.soft4science.com/MathML_Renderer.jpg http://www.soft4science.com/MathML_Renderer.jpg http://www1.chapman.edu/~jipsen/mathml/asciimathexample.gif http://www.w3.org/Math/Images/wprodgim.png http://sourceforge.net/dbimage.php?id=136525 http://www.w3.org/Math/Images/LagrangeXP.png http://www.w3.org/Math/Software/mathml_software_cat_editors.html#Idragmath http://www.mmlsoft.com/images/stories/hermitech/shots/fml-weaver.png http://numerator.sourceforge.net/complex1.jpg http://helm.cs.unibo.it/mml-widget/test1.png http://www.soft4science.com/MathML_Control.png http://www.w3.org/Math/Software/mathml_software_cat_converters.html#Imathml_to_svg_converter About CSS rendering of math, next you can find some demo page http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2007/11/16/even-more-work Search for "Added MathML support (Check out examples here)" About stretchy parentheses, one may obtain good results using CSS rounded borders. I had been playing with Mozilla extension -moz-border-radius: <size>; http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/CSS_Reference:Mozilla_Extensions >> http://www.w3.org/TR/mathml-for-css/ >> >> and I see Opera and WebKit are now rendering MathML via CSS. > > A limited subset of it, yes. Few years ago it was broadly believed that it was *impossible* to display math using CSS. Thanks to excellent pioneering work by George (now at MathML CSS group). We have CSS profile for a lot of math, including a subset of research articles. All MathML would be rendered with the future CSS math module. [1] http://www.w3.org/Math/implementations.html Juan R. González-Álvarez Center for CANONICAL |SCIENCE)Received on Thursday, 17 April 2008 14:52:19 UTC

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