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Re: [html4all] Request for review of alt and alt value for authoring or publishing tools

From: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:52:40 +0100
Message-ID: <55687cf80804160252y52ee9f22w5e574d6ea378be49@mail.gmail.com>
To: HTML4All <list@html4all.org>
Cc: wai-xtech@w3.org, "Ian Hickson" <ian@hixie.ch>, public-html@w3.org

Hi Lachlan,

> HTML5 conformance criteria should not be considered to be a social
> engineering tool.  The lack of requirement for alt in a few cases does
> not prevent alt text inspection tools being integrated into
> accessibility checkers or validators.  Social engineering on this issue
> can and should continue through other avenues, such as accessibility
> guidelines, advocacy and education; but not in the HTML5 specification.

The current spec in most cases related to the alt does _require_ an
alt with a useful value as a conformance criteria. So it is being used
as a "Social engineering" tool.

regards
stevef
On 16/04/2008, Lachlan Hunt <lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au> wrote:
> John Foliot wrote:
> > However, if the next generation authoring language *DID NOT ALLOW
> > THIS*, then Flickr and kin would wake up and smell the coffee, and
> > allow the contributors the ability to do the right thing.
>
> Keep in mind that the *current* generation authoring language does not
> allow alt to be omitted.  A simple requirement for alt in HTML5, just
> like in HTML4, won't have any effect on sites like flickr.  But there is
> sure to be other, more effective approaches that might.
>
> > It is for this *VERY* reason that the next-gen language needs to be more
> > pro-active in the social engineering regard, to force (through the risk of
> > non-conformance) authoring tools to provide the ability for content authors
> > to do the right thing - something I cannot do at Flickr even if I wanted to.
>
> HTML5 conformance criteria should not be considered to be a social
> engineering tool.  The lack of requirement for alt in a few cases does
> not prevent alt text inspection tools being integrated into
> accessibility checkers or validators.  Social engineering on this issue
> can and should continue through other avenues, such as accessibility
> guidelines, advocacy and education; but not in the HTML5 specification.
>
> --
> Lachlan Hunt - Opera Software
> http://lachy.id.au/
> http://www.opera.com/
>
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with regards

Steve Faulkner
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Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium

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