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Re: HDP: Revised "Support Existing Content" Principle

From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <oedipus@hicom.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:11:06 -0400
To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, public-html@w3.org
Message-Id: <20070926200957.M81094@hicom.net>

aloha, maciej!

i've waited, as you asked, to address this issue again, but i'm deeply 
concerned that unless specific markup,  which was added to HTML4x for a 
very specific purpose, is explicitly mentioned in "Support Existing 
Content", it won't be supported -- i am working on the assumption that 
eventually the "Support Existing Content" principle will be expressed in 
the HTML5 draft as "UA Conformance Requirements" and "AU Conformance 
Requirements"; is this a fallacious assumption?

when exactly will specific language concerning specific markup expressly 
designed for accessibility, internationalization, and device independence 
be addressed?  could it not be introduced into the draft, since it is a 
draft?

here is my proposed text again:

"Browsers should retain support for residual/legacy markup designed for 
a specific purpose, such as accessibility. internationalization or device 
independence. Simply because new technologies and superior mechanisms 
have been identified, not all of them have been implemented. Moreover, 
disabled users are more likely to be users of "legacy technology" because
it is the only technology that interacts correctly with third-party 
assistive technologies."

gregory.
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---------- Original Message -----------
From: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net>
Cc: public-html@w3.org
Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:07:14 -0700
Subject: Re: HDP: Revised "Support Existing Content" Principle

> Hi Gregory,
> 
> On Sep 13, 2007, at 6:05 PM, Gregory J. Rosmaita wrote:
> 
> > aloha, maciej!
> >
> > thanks for your work in updating the HDP draft; there is, however,
> > one point i did want to raise, however, which i didn't hear
> > explicitly addressed in your post or the draft -- i still think
> > the "support existing content" principle needs verbiage, to the
> > effect that:
> >
> >  "Browsers should retain support for residual/legacy markup
> >  designed for a specific purpose, such as accessibility.
> >  internationalization or device independence. Simply because
> >  new technologies and superior mechanisms have been identified,
> >  not all of them have been implemented. Moreover, disabled
> >  users are more likely to be users of "legacy technology"
> >  because it is the only technology that interacts correctly
> >  with third-party assistive technologies."
> 
> Thanks for the feedback. I think it would be better to address 
> the  requirements for these specific purposes in the design 
> principles  dedicated to them. There are already dedicated 
> principles for  accessibility, internationalization and device 
> independence. I intend  to revise them to make clear how they 
> apply to both implementation and  authoring requirements.
> 
> I'd like to keep this particular principle focused on supporting 
>  features and behaviors based on their use, rather than their 
> purpose,  and cover particular purposes separately.
> 
> I'd appreciate it if you could wait and see if the revised 
> versions of  the other principles address your concerns. I think 
> it is likely that  they will. Does that sound ok to you?
> 
> Regards,
> Maciej
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