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Re: Feedback on the ping="" attribute (ISSUE-1)

From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:48:16 +0100
Message-ID: <47338420.7050402@gmx.de>
To: Boris Zbarsky <bzbarsky@MIT.EDU>
CC: "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>

Boris Zbarsky wrote:
> Julian Reschke wrote:
>> My experience is that most people do understand the difference between 
>> a link and a button.
> 
> Really?  Given the number of links out there that perform non-idempotent 
> and unsafe actions, and the number of buttons that perform idempotent 
> and safe actions, I'd be quite surprised by that.

I don't see anything in Amazon, for instance, being a link but unsafe. I 
do see lots of buttons that may initiate something safe, but links being 
safe is the thing which is important, not buttons being unsafe.

> People do understand the difference between a "search" link or button 
> and a "buy this" link or button.  But that's a matter of context, not of 
> mechanism.  I agree that typical users understand context.  They don't 
> understand mechanism, nor should they need to.
> 
>> Also, the fact that it's possible to *obscure* that
> 
> Not only possible, but commonly done.  And not even on purpose.

How can it be not on purpose. It's not trivial to hide a POST behind a 
text link. Let's educate web designers not to do that.

>> isn't a good argument in favor of adding more stuff like this.
> 
> More stuff like what?

More stuff that enables web pages to initiate a POST when it looks like 
simple link navigation.

BR, Julian
Received on Thursday, 8 November 2007 21:48:33 UTC

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