RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 8/28/2012

Meeting Notes:
* A number of new bugs (from dom viewer), they are not HTML bugs rather CSS bugs (layout)
* Approved Pengcheng Guo <guopengcheng@baidu.com> contentEditable tests 
 	Note http://www.w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Baidu/editing/user-interaction-editing-spellcheck.htmlthough looks incorrect/not approved
* Moved the Opera document.write tests to approved folder


IRC Log Below (RSSAgent down due to systems issues)
[07:57] == krisk [qw3birc@128.30.52.28] has joined #htmlt
[08:00] <krisk> We can wait a bit to see if more people attend
[08:05] <krisk> Let's get rolling
[08:06] <krisk> Agenda -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Aug/0011.html
[08:06] <krisk> Agenda Item #1 Bugs on Approved Tests
[08:07] <krisk> Short Link To Bugzilla http://tinyurl.com/6mvghxx
[08:07] <krisk> Currently we have 25 Bugs
[08:07] <krisk> A number of 'new' bugs have been opened
[08:08] <krisk> See bug # 18682
[08:08] <krisk> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18682
[08:09] <@jgraham> Yeah Hixie added something to the live DOM viewer
[08:10] <@jgraham> So far I am unconvinced at the utility of this feature, but we can give it a go
[08:10] <krisk> Looking at http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/
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[08:11]  * plh_ suffers flacky network this morning :(
[08:11] <krisk> Looking at http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!doctype%20html%3E%0A%3Chtml%3E%0A%3Chead%3E%0A%09%3Ctitle%3EFoo%3C/title%3E%0A%3C/head%3E%0A%3Cbody%3E%0A%09%3Ctable%20style%3D%22position:%20fixed;%20top:%200;%20bottom:%200;%20background-color:%20red;%22%3E%0A%09%09%3Ctr%3E%0A%09%09%09%3Ctd%20style%3D%22height:%2050px;%20vertical-align:%20center;%22%3EHi%3C/td%3E%0A%09%09%3C/tr%3E%0A%0A%09%3C/table%3E%0A%3C/body%3E%0A%3C/html%3E
[08:12] <krisk> Which is a link in bug #18694 (https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18694)
[08:13] <@jgraham> Yeah, this is why I'm not convinced it's good. It's hard to tell what the intention there is or whether it's just spam
[08:13] <krisk> FWIW - One browser renders this differently all the others render the same..
[08:14] <plh_> indeed. I guess the submitter wanted us to add a test for tbody. we don't need to use the live viewer for that.
[08:14] <krisk> The <td> element is 50px tall in all but one
[08:14] <plh_> oh
[08:14] <plh_> but isn't that a css test?
[08:14] <@jgraham> Yeah, it could be an OPera bug, I would need to dig out some CSS specs to be sure
[08:14] <@jgraham> (assuming this part of the table model is actually defined)
[08:15] <krisk> Yes the html spec doesn't dictate the actual rendering behavior
[08:15] <krisk> e.g. it's not normative
[08:16] <@jgraham> But it's a terrible TC and probably not for the HTML TS in any case
[08:16] <@jgraham> (unless I missed the point)
[08:16] <krisk> agree
[08:16] <plh_> agreed
[08:16] <krisk> Looking at the others to see if they are all the same (which looks like it..)
[08:17] <krisk> plh, looks like the RRSAgent is not running (it doesn't show up when I type /invite RRSAgent #htmlt)
[08:17] <plh_> we seem to have network issues today :(
[08:18] <plh_> if you send my the irc log, I can generate the minutes after
[08:18] <krisk> No biggie for this meeting maybe other meetings it will be a blocker
[08:18] <plh_> s/my/me/
[08:18] <krisk> I'll just copy the IRC and post it to the list as 'notes'
[08:18] <plh_> we used a text editor in my previous meeting :)
[08:19] <krisk> Looks like chrome as a bug/doesn't match other browsers looking at bug#18712
[08:20] <krisk> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?saved=1621
[08:20] <plh_> again, that's a css test, not an html one
[08:21] <krisk> Yep I'm done looking at these new bugs - all don't look like the apply to html
[08:21] <plh_> the best we can do is redirect the individual to the css wg
[08:22] <krisk> Yes I will resolve these bugs 18682, 18694, 18695, 18696, 18697, 18698, 18699, 18705, 18712 offline
[08:23] <krisk> stating these are not valid HTML tests, though they do show interop bugs in some browsers
[08:23] <krisk> ...and point them to the CSS WG
[08:23] <krisk> ..or they can just notify the browser that doesn't match others to fix their bug
[08:23] <gsnedders> jgraham: Undefined per CSS 2.1
[08:25] <krisk> Other ways exists to create a simalar rendering that works in all browsers...
[08:27] <krisk> One other bug comment, before we move on...
[08:27] <krisk> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17891
[08:28] <krisk> Boris Zbarsky responded back that he was going to revert the development version of firefox to the shipping behavior for now.
[08:29] <krisk> He also commented that it doesn't seem to be a wise choice to start throwing (site compat)
[08:30] <krisk> Agenda Item #2 New Test Submissions
[08:31] <krisk> We'll have to wait to look at more of ms2ger's canvas changes, maybe next time he can attend
[08:31] <krisk> Pengcheng Guo <guopengcheng@baidu.com> is a new participant and submitted some contentEditable and designMode tests
[08:32] <krisk> See http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html/shortlog
[08:32] <plh_> yes, and Aryeh approved them already
[08:32] <plh_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Aug/0009.html
[08:33] <krisk> I'm not sure they are all correct
[08:33] <krisk> http://www.w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Baidu/editing/user-interaction-editing-spellcheck.html
[08:34] <krisk> See the last test case
[08:36] <krisk> Opera, IE, FF, Chrome all return true and not false
[08:36] <plh_> ah, they didn't link to that one in their email to the list
[08:37] <plh_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Aug/0006.html
[08:37] <plh_> http://w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Baidu/editing/user-interaction-editing-designMode.html
[08:37] <plh_> http://w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Baidu/editing/user-interaction-editing-contenteditable.html
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[08:37] <plh_> are the two cases they referenced
[08:38] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-htmlt-irc
[08:38] <krisk> http://www.w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Baidu/editing/user-interaction-editing-designMode.html
[08:38] <krisk> This one is intresting...
[08:39] <krisk> IE added design mode long, long ago in the 90s
[08:41] <plh_> that test works fine on opera, ff, and chrome at least
[08:41] <krisk> You can set the attribute though I don't think they actually enable 'designMode'
[08:41] <plh_> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/editing.html#making-entire-documents-editable:-the-designmode-idl-attribute
[08:43] <plh_> the spec doesn't say much on the effect of the attribute in section 7.5.3, besides setting
[08:43] <plh_> so the test is correct from what I can tell
[08:43] <plh_> could be improved to test document.designMode = "ON"
[08:45] <krisk> yes setting the attribute looks correct per the spec
[08:48] <krisk> same with http://www.w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Baidu/editing/user-interaction-editing-contenteditable.html
[08:50] <krisk> Looks like ms2ger was didn't fix the canvas test harness bug he introduced
[08:50] <krisk> http://www.w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/PhilipTaylor/canvas/2d.gradient.object.invalidcolour.html
[08:50] <krisk> still seems to timeout
[08:53] <plh_> oh, missing done() I guess
[08:54] <krisk> I updated the approvedtest.txt file and move the Opera document.write tests last week
[08:54] <krisk> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html/rev/7e1f02b0487c
[09:00] <krisk> Any other agend items or shall we adjourn?
[09:02] <krisk> OK let's adjourn

-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Krueger [mailto:krisk@microsoft.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 3:14 PM
To: 'public-html-testsuite@w3.org'
Subject: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 8/28/2012

Agenda

#1 Check for any bugs on approved tests
#2 New Test Submissions (continue reviewing ms2ger canvas test updates)

If you have other items you would like, please email me directly.

-Thanks!

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Received on Thursday, 6 September 2012 15:42:35 UTC