- From: <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:24:50 -0500
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- Cc: www-tag@w3.org
I hope you will consider this comment on the HTML 5 draft Recommendation. This is a personal comment from me, and does not necessarily represent the opinion of other TAG members or the TAG as a whole. Background ========== This comment is regarding the term "conforming document". As you know, the HTML 5 draft explicitly discusses [1] the conformance of Web browsers, noninteractive agents, conformance checkers, etc. I have found no similar explicit definition of "conforming documents" or some similar term. At first I thought: can this be right? Is the idea that only conformance of code is specified? Then I looked further and noticed statements like: "Authoring tools and markup generators must generate >conforming documents<." However, the term "conforming documents" seems not to be explicitly defined, and is in any case not hyperlinked from references like this. I think that's a problem that should be fixed. It seems to me that defining conformance for documents is one of the most important purposes of this specification, and doing so is probably essential if the spec is to be used as the basis of a media type registration. Quotes like the one above suggest that, in fact, it is the intention that the term "conforming documents" be defined. Suggestions =========== I can think of a number of approaches, any of which would probably be acceptable from my point of view. * Define one or more terms such as "conforming documents". For each such term, provide a definition sufficiently rigorous that one can determine for any given string of characters (octet stream?) whether it is or is not conforming. If additional information is required to make that determination, e.g. if conformance turns out to depend on something like an externally specified character encoding, then say so, and indicate that conformance for a document is relation defined on the combination document_string+additional_info. * Hyperlink to each such definition from all suitable references elsewhere in the document. Conformance terminology when "applicable specifications" define HTML 5 extensions ================================================================================= I am probably going to make some comments on extensibility in general in another note, but here it's worth briefly discussing the impact on document conformance terminology. I'll assume for the moment that, informally, the intention of the current text is that additional specifications can be written to augment HTML 5. Let's take that as a given. Presumably, such "applicable specifications" can provide specific meanings for additional markup; maybe or maybe not they can also define things like nonstandard DOM mappings for such additional constructs. Assuming I've got that right, it might be worth asking whether there should be separate terminology for conformance of documents that use only the features explicitly documented in HTML 5 (e.g. <p>, <table>, etc.) vs. documents that also use extensions from some applicable specification (<NoahsNewTag>). I don't actually have a strong opinion on which way you go with this, but as things stand the spec is mushy in this area, I think your choice should be unambiguous. Some options appear to be: I. A single term, "conforming document", that includes documents using extensions that are explicitly defined in some applicable specification. I think this is closest to what you currently intend, but I confess I find it a bit too tricky. II. Same as above, but apply the term "conforming document" to any syntax that >could have been< defined in an applicable specification. (I suspect that there is some syntax, such as improperly nested tags, that you would prohibit even applicable specifications from specifying -- you should make clear what syntax and processing can and cannot be defined in such extension specs I think). III. Two terms, perhaps "conforming: html5-only" would apply to to documents that use >only< features explicitly documented in HTML 5, vs. something like "conforming: html5-extended" for your choice of the first two options. Then you'd know that "html5-only" documents would be universally interoperable, and "html5-extended" documents would depend on extension support. IV. Encourage usage like: "conforming" for documents that use >only< features explicitly documented in HTML 5 and "conforming to HTML 5 as augmented by the XXXX and YYYY specifications" for documents that conform to identified extension specs. For what it's worth, I think I like II. or II+IV best: that is, when no additional specifications are explicitly called out, all the syntax that >could have< been defined by such an extension should be considered conforming. That way you don't consider a document broken just because you can't name the spec that gave meaning to the new constructs. Then you can also adopt IV to allow people to explicitly call out conformance to the combination of specs that have been used; in this case, the semantics (and perhaps specialized processing of) the extensions is part of the conformance. Calling out html5-only may have merit too. So, in a nutshell, I'm suggesting that all the terminology regarding conformance of documents be made more explicit, and that the key terms be hyperlinked. Thank you! Noah [1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#conformance-requirements -------------------------------------- Noah Mendelsohn IBM Corporation One Rogers Street Cambridge, MA 02142 1-617-693-4036 --------------------------------------
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