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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10830 Murata <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Keywords| |TrackerRequest --- Comment #62 from Murata <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp> 2011-11-25 02:21:43 UTC --- Here I try to provide a factual summary of this issue. I hope that this makes clear that escalation to the WG is the only sensible way to go forward. 0) Overall The I18N WG has requested HTML5 to allow optional use of the rb element. Fantasai, Simon Pieters, Koji Ishii, Addison Phillips, Leif Halvard Silli, and I have the same opinion. Ian Hickson is against. 1) Widely used? The I18N WG and Ishii san believe that rb is very widely used, and have provided pointers to supporting evidence. Yomiuri Online (very common newspaper in Japan) http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/ Automatic ruby programs http://mt.adaptive-techs.com/httpadaptor/servlet/HttpAdaptor?.h0.=fp&.ui.=trial&.up.=&.ro.=kh&.st.=rb http://www.hiragana.jp/ Ian claims that "in practice many pages don't actually use it (the HTML definition of ruby was based on extensive research for real use of ruby markup in the wild).", but did not provide any supporting evidence. 2) Implemented? Koji Ishii and I believe that the rb tag is widely implemented. The support of the rb element in Internet Explorer is documented by Microsoft in http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff460533(v=VS.85).aspx. See "2.2.3 [W3C-RUBY] Section 2.5, The rb element" Ian Hixon claims "IE doesn't support <rb> (it ignores it)", but has not provide any supporting evidence. The best way to make this point clear is to ask browser vendors in the HTML WG. 3) Useful or useless? Fantasai, Simon Pieters, Koji Ishii, Addison Phillips, Leif Halvard Silli, and I believe that rb is useful (at least sometimes). Ian Hickson believes that it is always useless. This point appears to be subjective, and nobody is likely to change her or his opinion. I even believe that such religuous debates are possible for many other HTML5 tags. Most notably, the dt element in definition lists. When there is a religuous debate, the best approach is to hear the opinion from a wide group of experts, implementors, and users. Dictatorship by the editor is simply not the right approach. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the QA contact for the bug.
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