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Re: request a heartbeat publication of HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 22:36:40 +0100
Message-ID: <CA+ri+VkqXmvryjMs5uQK6yGY-PbYpHo86hdbEVHpjTL=g8AmsQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>
Cc: Grant Simpson <glsimpso@gmail.com>, "public-html-admin@w3.org" <public-html-admin@w3.org>
Hi John,

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Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>

On 10 October 2014 22:23, John Foliot <john@foliot.ca> wrote:

> It seems that there are already multiple versions of this document located
> in numerous locations (which I find far more troubling than a date-stamped
> heart-beat status):
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> http://w3c.github.io/alt-techniques/
>
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html/embedded-content-0.html#alt
>
> http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/
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>
>
> Google also turns up this W3C branded document:
> http://files.paciellogroup.com/blogmisc/HTML5/textalternatives.html
>

thanks for pointing out the paciellogroup doc, that was a very from 4 years
ago - have removed.


>
> That is, by my count, 4 unique instances of what purports to be
> essentially the same document, or a version there-of.
>
>
>
> If having a definitive heart-beat document, complete with time-stamp [sic]
> is that important to others, will we also seek at this time to streamline
> this cacophony of different documents at different URLs? Otherwise it
> strikes me as a bit of an exercise in futility.
>

the situation you are describing is not unique to this document, for
example I think hixie found 17 different version of the canvas 2d spec
floating around.



>
>
>
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> As for timing… I am unclear why we have to do this NOW, right away, this
> week! We are waiting on a decision from the Director on @longdesc, and
> depending on that outcome, we may need to have some significant editorial
> changes added to that document. We've come along this far, and this long,
> with the document at the current status with no harm (Steve has already
> said he has not made any changes in months), so I am unclear on the sense
> of immediate urgency. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see this finished up
> too, but what's the rush? Can we let the Director make his decision, and
> then we can set a publish date based upon that decision?
>
>
>

As I have stated - the reasons for requesting a heartbeat are:

The current HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives WD
http://www.w3.org/TR/html-alt-techniques/ is 2 years old and is largely
obsolete. I consider it an important of the review process to be able to
 have a stable up to date snapshot of the document in its current form
available for myself and others who intend to contribute feedback as the
document changes.


> JF
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> *From:* Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 9:43 AM
> *To:* Grant Simpson; public-html-admin@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: request a heartbeat publication of HTML5: Techniques for
> providing useful text alternatives
>
>
>
> It would be extremely helpful to have a heartbeat draft. In my class, I
> integrate accessible techniques throughout the curriculum and when it comes
> to discussing text alternatives in HTML, I have been at a bit of a loss as
> to how to explain the current state of the art.
>
>
>
> Note the latest version of the document is available here:
> http://w3c.github.io/alt-techniques/
>
> Also if you want a stable draft link, the bulk of the material is also
> available in the HTML5 PR spec
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html/embedded-content-0.html#alt
>
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> SteveF
>
> HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
>
>
>
> On 10 October 2014 16:38, Grant Simpson <glsimpso@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It would be extremely helpful to have a heartbeat draft. In my class, I
> integrate accessible techniques throughout the curriculum and when it comes
> to discussing text alternatives in HTML, I have been at a bit of a loss as
> to how to explain the current state of the art.
>
> TL;DR: +1.
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:31, Gez Lemon <glemon@paciellogroup.com> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Gez
> >
> > On 10 October 2014 13:01, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Dear Chairs.
> >>
> >> In regards to:
> >> HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives
> >> http://w3c.github.io/alt-techniques/
> >>
> >> As It is unclear when  the document will be published as a note and what
> >> direction the planned changes will take I consider it a reasonable
> request
> >> that  a heartbeat draft be published by the HTML WG  before the new
> >> editor(s) start work on the document. In its current form the document
> >> accurately reflects the related advice on provision of text alternatives
> >> contained in the HTML5 PR specification [1]. The current HTML5:
> Techniques
> >> for providing useful text alternatives WD
> >> http://www.w3.org/TR/html-alt-techniques/ is 2 years old and is largely
> >> obsolete. I consider it an important of the review process to be able to
> >> have a stable up to date snapshot of the document in its current form
> >> available for myself and others who intend to contribute feedback as the
> >> document changes.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/html/embedded-content-0.html#alt
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> SteveF
> >> HTML 5.1
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > _____________________________
> > Senior Accessibility Consultant - TPG
> > http://www.paciellogroup.com
> >
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