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RE: additional sentence for 204

From: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:41:03 +0200
To: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
Cc: 'Janina Sajka' <janina@rednote.net>, 'James Craig' <jcraig@apple.com>, 'Cynthia Shelly' <cyns@microsoft.com>, 'HTML Accessibility Task Force' <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, 'Ted O'Connor' <eoconnor@apple.com>
Message-ID: <20120915214103044089.7da41cd1@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Hi David, I understand the context. But I don't accept the proposed 
text, for the reason I outlined in my reply to James.[1] By "may be I 
have misunderstood", I had hoped to that you or someone else wanted to 
explain to me, in case they thought I had misunderstood something. But 
neither you, James, Janina or Cynthia has so far responded on the the 
substance. There was a hint that Steve did not necessarily agree, but 
otherwise I don't know anyone's reaction to the arguments I put forward.

[1] 
http://www.w3.org/mid/20120914024541334897.a45ada25@xn--mlform-iua.no


Leif Halvard Silli

David MacDonald, Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:34:44 -0400:
> Hi Leif
> 
> ... it's a follow up to a discussion we had on the call... no time to get
> into it during my work day... but parts of it should be in the thread...
> 
> Cheers
> David MacDonald
> 
> CanAdapt Solutions Inc.
>   "Enabling the Web"
> www.Can-Adapt.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leif Halvard Silli [mailto:xn--mlform-iua@målform.no] 
> Sent: September-14-12 7:27 AM
> To: David MacDonald
> Cc: 'Janina Sajka'; 'James Craig'; 'Cynthia Shelly'; 'HTML Accessibility
> Task Force'; 'Ted O'Connor'
> Subject: RE: additional sentence for 204
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> May be I have misunderstood something very fundamental her, but to include
> @usemap on an <img> is not a special signal to AT. It is an attribute that
> changes the <img> from non-interactive to interactive. 
> 
> Leif H Silli
> 
> David MacDonald, Fri, 14 Sep 2012 00:41:21 -0400:
>> I very much support this approach to exposing hidden content to 
>> assistive technologies ... an id reference (or hash tag reference) to 
>> the hidden content indicates an intent by the author to expose it to 
>> Assistive Technology or other user agents...
>> 
>> Cheers
>> David MacDonald
>> 
>> CanAdapt Solutions Inc.
>>   "Enabling the Web"
>> www.Can-Adapt.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net]
>> Sent: September-13-12 8:10 PM
>> To: James Craig
>> Cc: Cynthia Shelly; HTML Accessibility Task Force; Ted O'Connor
>> Subject: Re: additional sentence for 204
>> 
>> Works for me, James. Much cleaner and yet clearly indicates that there 
>> are two kinds of use cases covered.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> James Craig writes:
>>> How about this take?
>>> 
>>> Note: Only hidden="" elements that are referenced indirectly by a 
>>> unique
>> identifier (ID) reference or valid hash-name reference may have their 
>> structure and content exposed upon user request. Authors desiring to 
>> prevent user-initiated viewing of hidden="" elements should remove 
>> identifier (ID) or hash-name references to the element.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2012, at 2:51 PM, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Janina,
>>>> 
>>>> I don't have substantive objections with either of these, and only 
>>>> minor
>> editorial objections to tense and style.
>>>> 
>>>> James
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cynthia's
>>>>>> Note: Authors have control over whether elements with the @hidden
>> attribute will be exposed in this manner.  Only elements that are is 
>> referenced indirectly by a unique identifier (ID) reference or valid 
>> hash-name reference will be exposed.  If an author does not wish to 
>> have a @hidden element exposed, he may achieve this by not referencing the
> element.
>>>> 
>>>> Janina's:
>>>> 
>>>>> Author  control, as opposed to user control  over whether elements 
>>>>> with
>> the @hidden attribute may be exposed to users will be delineated in 
>> this manner.  Only elements that are referenced indirectly by a unique 
>> identifier
>> (ID) reference or valid hash-name reference may be exposed at user
> request.
>> An author desiring to keep a @hidden element hidden from any and all 
>> user initiated viewing scenarios may achieve this by simply not 
>> referencing the element.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
>> 			sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>> 		Email:	janina@rednote.net
>> 
>> The Linux Foundation
>> Chair, Open Accessibility:	http://a11y.org

>> 
>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>> Chair,	Protocols & Formats	http://www.w3.org/wai/pf

>> 	Indie UI			http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/

>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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