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Re: aria-describedat

From: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:22:22 -0700
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To: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>
Cc: david bolter <david.bolter@gmail.com>, Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>, Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com>, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>, faulkner.steve@gmail.com, jbrewer@w3.org, George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>, laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com, mike@w3.org, public-html-a11y@w3.org, w3c-wai-pf@w3.org, W3C WAI-XTECH <wai-xtech@w3.org>
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:36 PM, John Foliot <john@foliot.ca> wrote:
>> That's the key difference.
>> I guess, we could ask if browsers would agree to using alt-enter as
>> the recommended interaction for the new attribute.
> I think that *might* be one of a few possible strategies, but I would
> caution recommending a single solution, and rather allow for user-agents to
> develop appropriate contextual strategies.

Just think about if we had done the same thing with hyperlinks: left
it to browser vendors to define the interaction. Is that really the
path you want to propose?

> On the Desktop, I think the
> contextual menu is a working and a workable solution for many sighted users
> (Mouse right-click, or for keyboard users Shift+F10 >> Tab to "longdescy
> thing" >> Enter), and/but a screen reader could map that interaction pattern
> to a custom keyboard control (such as Alt+Enter).

Agreed, those are all possibilities. I think we need to propose the
solutions, though, and not leave them to every browser vendor to make
up for themselves. Just think about where that took us wrt accesskey.

> I think that the mobile
> experience might, by necessity be very different however, as the traditional
> mouse/keyboard affordances simply are not there.

Sure - mouse clicks are not that on mobile devices either. But there's
still only one way to activate a link. We need a similar obvious
single solution to activate a link to long text information.

> It would be extremely useful non-the-less if all browsers followed a general
> interaction pattern for inter-op benefits.  I note as well that this does
> not address the discoverability issue, only the interaction issue.

Agreed. I had also proposed solutions for the discoverability issue:
either an on-page indicator (an icon of some sort in the shadow dom)
or an in-browser indicator (similar to how mouse-over often shows you
a preview of the link url somewhere at the bottom of the browser).

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