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Re: Fwd: Split Issue 30?

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:11:15 +0000
Message-ID: <CA+ri+Vmmkg-CovdbOKBzkXeVCPRBK49QQrjzqJGFOq=YLjJvvw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>, Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org>, Andi Snow-Weaver <andisnow@us.ibm.com>
Hi Janina,

if there are not clear answers to be derived from the current ARIA
specifications text then I would suggest responding by saying we are
looking into it and will get back to you once we have investigated the
issue or some such.

best regards
Steve

On 24 February 2012 15:02, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
> Hi, Steve:
>
> Steven Faulkner writes:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> suggest it would be useful for someone with the requisite knowledge of
>> the various ARIA spec responds on the html wg to Bens questions:
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0189.html
>>
> Yes, but exactly what should that response be?
>
> I will file bugs against the 9 citations I've found being used in the
> HTML-WG for us to review during the upcoming PF F2F:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2012Feb/0052.html
>
>
> Beyond that I suppose I could say that some of these citations reflect
> old guidance not recently updated.
>
> That doesn't seem responsive, particularly. Suggestions?
>
> Janina
>
>> regards
>> Stevef
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com>
>> Date: 13 February 2012 20:57
>> Subject: Re: Split Issue 30?
>> To: Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc>, Charles Pritchard
>> <chuck@jumis.com>, John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>, Sam Ruby
>> <rubys@intertwingly.net>, public-html@w3.org
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
>> > ing aria-describedby for long text descriptions is a dead issue from the
>> > PF's perspective.
>>
>> If this is the PFWG's position, why isn't it reflected in the ARIA
>> documents maintained by PFWG, for example:
>>
>>   http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#Descriptions_external
>>
>> > Attempts so to do overload describedby. That's unacceptable.
>> >
>> > Even should it prove there's some way by which browsers might pass
>> > marked up content to the a11y APIs so that these APIs will not flatten
>> > that content to straight text
>>
>> You mean like the ways the ARIA implementation guide suggests?
>>
>>    http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_relations_reverse_relations
>>
>> > describedby still does not meet the
>> > requirements of a long text mechanism.
>>
>> > Specifically, describedby is
>> > intended for content that is to be read automatically as it is
>> > encountered.
>>
>> That seems like critical information about aria-describedby. If that's
>> the PF's position, why doesn't the formal definition of
>> aria-describedby say that:
>>
>>   http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-describedby
>>
>> See also the other links I already collected, which show that the spec
>> text around aria-describedby is very different from what you're
>> describing:
>>
>>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0010.html
>>
>> --
>> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> with regards
>>
>> Steve Faulkner
>> Technical Director - TPG
>>
>> www.paciellogroup.com | www.HTML5accessibility.com |
>> www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner
>> HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives -
>> dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/
>> Web Accessibility Toolbar - www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
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>
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>
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>



-- 
with regards

Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG

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