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Re: [media] proposed a11y TF letter on issue-152

From: Eric Carlson <eric.carlson@apple.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:47:49 -0700
Message-id: <900A46FC-9B3D-4BCD-B28C-6C4121EB5476@apple.com>
Cc: Mark Watson <watsonm@netflix.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, "public-html-a11y@w3.org Task Force" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
To: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>

On Apr 21, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote:

> Are you following the discussions on the main list and on whatwg? Ian mentioned there that he'd be open to add it if media resources exposed it. We could just insist on this change. It seems this is the only breaking point.
> 
> Will I then send off the email today as it was and we resolve it on the main list?
> 
Yes, I think you should send it in as planned. 

eric
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> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 22/04/2011, at 2:40 AM, Mark Watson <watsonm@netflix.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2011, at 7:43 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
>> 
>>> I would personally think that we can resolve the 5 changes through the
>>> bug tracker and that they are not substantial to be solved before LC.
>>> They are "part of the plumbing" as John put it so nicely. But it is
>>> indeed a good question whether turning the 5 changes into bugs would
>>> be agreeable with other members of the group.
>> 
>> I disagree that the "track kind" is "part of the plumbing". Whether you can, or cannot, discover the types of tracks available from a script makes the difference (for me at least) as to whether this multi-track support is useful or not.
>> 
>> I would at least like to hear Ian's opinion on the "track kind" issue before agreeing that it can be dealt with as a bug, with the associated possibility that multi-track support goes into the LC draft without this feature. It's there for text tracks and I don't see any difference in rationale when considering audio and video tracks.
>> 
>> ...Mark
>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Silvia.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>>>> On 04/20/2011 09:00 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> We appreciate the extra time provided to us by the chairs to further
>>>>> discuss the submitted four change proposals and come to an agreement.
>>>>> There have indeed been lengthy discussions during the provided time
>>>>> frame and we have made great progress.
>>>> 
>>>> Something to consider: think about what you could do if you had until May
>>>> 14th...[1]
>>>> 
>>>>> The group has come to a consensus on which proposal to support. While
>>>>> some of our feedback on that change proposal has already been taken on
>>>>> board, there is still a list of 5 outstanding changes that need to be
>>>>> addressed for the specification text to be complete.
>>>> 
>>>> One way to proceed is to see if that number can be reduced between now and
>>>> Friday, and then to have a survey on the remaining items (asking for
>>>> objections to INCLUDING and objections to EXCLUDING each change).  The
>>>> results of the decision will affect what goes out in the Last Call.  The
>>>> standard for revisiting the decision would be New Information or a Formal
>>>> Objection.
>>>> 
>>>> Another way to proceed is to open bug reports on each and continue to work
>>>> on them until May 14th.  Changes over which there is WG consensus can be
>>>> made during that time.  Changes that reduce consensus can be reverted[2].
>>>> 
>>>> With the second approach, it still will be possible to raise issues and have
>>>> these issues resolved in time for HTML5 (as in CR, PR, and Rec). What you
>>>> gain if you go this way is a few more weeks to find WG wide consensus.  What
>>>> you lose is the opportunity to get these changes into the spec in time for
>>>> Last Call over objections should the chairs find that there to be stronger
>>>> objections to EXCLUDING these changes than there is to INCLUDING these
>>>> changes.
>>>> 
>>>> At this point, the issue has been raised and Change Proposals have been
>>>> written so the only way we will decide to close this issue and proceed with
>>>> bugs is if we have Amicable Consensus to do so.  If anybody objects to such
>>>> an approach, we will go with a survey.
>>>> 
>>>> - Sam Ruby
>>>> 
>>>> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0759.html
>>>> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0125.html
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
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