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Re: review of test cases

From: Chimezie Ogbuji <ogbujic@ccf.org>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:41:27 -0400
To: "Jeremy Carroll" <jjc@hpl.hp.com>
cc: "GRDDL Working Group" <public-grddl-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <1177947687.6436.58.camel@otherland>

On Mon, 2007-04-30 at 14:50 +0100, Jeremy Carroll wrote:
> I am happy with these modifications, except:
> - the aboutTests change,
> - inclusion of base-detail, superceded by events
> - minor aspects of description of #xmlbase3
> Also, no approval seems to have been added to the grddl result for 
> embedded-rdf4.

I wasn't sure where we stand with regards to approval on this test.
where I indicate how this test might be conflicting with the 'current

> aboutTests
> ==========
> I'll explain my concerns, and make a suggestion as to achieve both our 
> goals.
> My understanding is that a URI such as
> http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-tests/titleauthor.html
> are not part of the WG's intent.

Yes. Note in the current 'draft' the href link is absolute, so this will
not be a problem if / when it is published into
http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-tests/ space - at least with regards to the
links in the source document.

> The GRDDL result of the test cases document, when published at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-tests/

Yes, when gleaned 'on the fly' from http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-tests/.

> will include such a URI; hence this is unsatisfactory.
> I also believe that the GRDDL results will be published at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-tests/grddl-tests.rdf

One option is to *not* publish that 'pre-gleaned' RDF graph from /TR
space.  I much prefer this.  However, if we go with your first
suggestion from below then this becomes a non-issue.

> and once again, this should not include relative URIs into 
> http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-tests/
> If
> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.rdf
> is copied as is into the TR directory, we will have such references to 
> non-resources.
> It would be possible to do either of the following:
> a) use the aboutTests as modified, but with an 
> xml:base="http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/"
> and then someone wanting to do local testing, can simply delete that base.

I also prefer this.  It requires only a little more effort than prior to
get an environment for local testing (which I think is crucial -
especially considering my painful experience with being blocked from W3C
space for repeated requests)

> b) include the aboutTests as modified as aboutTestsLocal.xsl, and revert 
> aboutTests.xsl to only give the full URLs

I'm against this option as I think we can achieve both goals of not
relying on the current .htaccess redirect of test material as well as a
relatively painless way to run local tests.

> Personally, I think either of these is unnecessary, but I wouldn't mind.
> For me, the implementor who is testing against a local copy of the test 
> material is using a cache, and that is their responsibility and not the 
> WGs. 
> (a) above, in particular, seems to be making enough allowance for 
> such an implementor

I agree.  I do think *some* allowance is prudent.

> Suggested change:
> <xsl:template match="/">
>    <r:RDF>
>      <xsl:apply-templates />
>    </r:RDF>
> </xsl:template>
> to
> <xsl:template match="/">
>    <r:RDF xml:base="http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/">
>    <xsl:comment>If you wish to run the tests using local copies of the 
> files then it is possible to modify the above xml:base as 
> appropriate.</xsl:comment>
>      <xsl:apply-templates />
>    </r:RDF>
> </xsl:template>


> base-detail
> ===========
> The text is:
> [[
> # A transform that does not respect xml:base:
> input output
> The output of a transform is processed with the retrieval IRI, not that 
> given by an xml:base.
> ]]
> This text is not consistent with the descriptions and decisions of the 
> xmlbase and htmlbase tests.
> Since we have not approved this test, I suggest simply deleting it.
> We may want to review our coverage of the base issues later.

I agree (re: deleting it), I just wanted to confirm with you (as it was
in the pending list).  Done ..

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