See also: IRC log
RESOLVED: http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes is correct record
Ben will scribe in 2 weeks
Chimezie will scribe next week
<DanC> DanC is out next week (13 Sep) too.
<FabienGandon> Ian's GRDDL Primer: http://research.talis.com/2006/grddl-wg/primer.html
<FabienGandon> Brian's GRDDL Primer: http://suda.co.uk/sandbox/GRDDL/Primer.htm
Ian - Introduction and diagram as first draft for Primer by end of Sep.
need to demonstrate for xslt to work.
who is tester?
<DanC> ACTION: DannyA to test examples from primer http://research.talis.com/2006/grddl-wg/primer.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
<chimezie> Triclops
are we providing a testing tool? Yes.
<DanC> Re: GRDDL test howto?
Ad-hoc testing needed till next week
creating the microformat is out of scope
<chimezie> ACTION: Chimezie: Will get a short description of how Triclops can be used for generating diagrams of RDF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
Brian - presenting the primer
<chimezie> Dom's email on existing test harness: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0100.html
Brian writing the SPARQL query
html pages should be well-formatted
preference to use xhtml?
<danja> (a significant proportion of microformat instance docs aren't XHTML)
<FabienGandon> +1 to use XHTML everywhere.
transforming the calendar to rdf as the first step?
first draft to use SPARQL to demonstrate the value of using rdf
<hhalpin> ACTION: Brian and Ian will merge test cases. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
<danja> (briansuda, if you need to use Tidy, is it still grddl?)
<DanC> (no, most of the microformat services go beyond grddl.)
<hhalpin> murray suggests a motivaing introduction
Primer aimed end of Sep
Publication need to be out as required by W3C
Primer and Use case can both meet the target date - Sep
will keep SPARQL section small?
focus on the grddl stuff?
<chimezie> ACTION: Chimezie will work on a short, motivating introduction for Primer (with segue to use cases) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
<FabienGandon> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc43/scenario-gallery.htm
xml schema as a source to transform?
<DanC> ACTION:Harry to discuss with BenA and DanC the XML Schema use-case in context of Creative Commons and OAI. See clarification from DanC. [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
<DanC> ACTION: BenA to draft XML Schema use-case in context of Creative Commons and OAI. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
<DanC> ACTION: BenA to flesh out HTML RDF/A output of GRDDL use cases (i.e. review scheduling use case in detail) [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
<DanC> ACTION: Fabien to review/reconsider digital library use case [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]
<DanC> ACTION: Fabien to note that "Plus: ... " part of scheduling use case #1 needs work, and ask Ben for help whenever he becomes availble and drop it from the draft meanwhile [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]
<hhalpin> ACTION: BenA will proof-read document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]
<hhalpin> ACTION: Danny will proof-read document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11]
<DanC> ACTION: Harry to review digital library use case [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12]
review should submit to the email distribtuion list
<DanC> ACTION: Ryager to read draft thoroughly [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13]
Ian to help after Primer work.
<danja> (if test harness work is deferred for a couple of weeks, I can help then too)
<DanC> ACTION: DanC to enumerate options for base issue, pick one, and propose it in the form of a test case. See his suggestion to pass it as a paramter and discussion with Chime over extension functions [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14]
Chime introducing conformance label issue
does not address consistent language
<DanC> Chime on Conformance labels and consistent communication http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Sep/0053.html
user agent, processor, grddl document mechanism?
should have a consistent vocabulary - chime
<hhalpin> ACTION: Harry to re-read Use Case document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15]
grddl doc and grddl processor only
<FabienGandon> ACTION: Fabien to review the terminology of the Use Case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action16]
<chimezie> ACTION: Chimezie to work towards a glossary for consistent terminology and suggest some rewording [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action17]
<hhalpin> ACTION: Murray to send out his take on take on standardized vocabulary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action18]
glossary will be included in the use case document.
by next week
<DanC> ACTION:Chime to suggest which conformance labels, if any, the GRDDL spec should includ [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action19]
<FabienGandon> ACTION: Fabien to add a Glossary section in the Use Case Doc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action20]
any transformation language?
xslt, xquery etc?
<FabienGandon> First Mediatype message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Sep/0020
<FabienGandon> Now, for the more controversial media-type sentence: "GRDDL can use media types of the transformation resource to detect the what type of language the transformation uses. For example, if in a XHTML document the link element has an href attribute of "http://www.example.org/transformation" and this URI returns a document with a media type of "application/xslt+xml," GRDDL is licensed to run the transformation using XSLT."
appendix to explain what software does?
<DanC> ACTION: DanC to draft an appendix about a sample implementaiton of GRDDL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action21]
xslt1 as recommendation?
<chimezie> +1 for SHOULD
<danja> (/me needs to chase up docs on XSLT 1.0 processor response to XSLT 2.0 transformations, but still +1 to SHOULD for XSLT 1.0)
<DanC> ACTION:Harry to draft some elaboration on how media types work with GRDDL [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action22]
<DanC> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#implExp
<DanC> DanC: it's not obviuos to me what happens if, for example, Harry's calendar has an <xinclude> in it.
<DanC> ... my implementation doesn't do it.
<DanC> Chime: mine does
<DanC> Murray: so you've got a pipeline. You can specify that pipeline in the document that represents the transformation algorithm.
<DanC> Murray: W3C is working on a standardize XML Processing model language, but we don't need to tie GRDDL to that directly; somebody might use a shell script to specify their pipeline/transformation.
<ryager1> should test the interaction
<DanC> ACTION: DanC to add an issue about xinclude an processing order [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action23]
<DanC> ADJOURN.
<ryager1> http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-irc#T16-31-43
<hhalpin> ACTION: Murray to suggest what GRDDL spec issues are covered by XML Processing, suggestion on how to fix it. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action24]