- From: Erik Dahlstrom <ed@opera.com>
- Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:11:55 +0100
- To: public-fx@w3.org
Minutes:
http://www.w3.org/2012/02/13-fx-minutes.html
and as text:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
CSS-SVG Task Force Teleconference
13 Feb 2012
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2012JanMar/0091.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2012/02/13-fx-irc
Attendees
Present
ed, krit, cyril, rik, shepazu
Regrets
Chair
ed
Scribe
ed
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]transforms issues
2. [6]issue-66
* [7]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 13 February 2012
<scribe> scribe: ed
<scribe> scribeNick: ed
transforms issues
dirk: can svg parsing do parsing with both svg and css parsing
rules, without or with units? could svg change here?
... would like to modify the svg parser to accept css syntax for
transforms, so e.g translate(20px, 20px) would be supported
rik: that's a big change
dirk: you have to use units in css syntax anyway
rik: but for an svg parser not having a css parser?
dirk: that's why i'm proposing extended to allow the css syntax, but
without requiring a full css parser
... if we change transform to be a presentation attribute it's still
a property
<ChrisL> all properties are presentation attribues, and the reverse
is also true
ed: the current presentation attributes are still parsed as defined
in svg, but we've discussed allowing css syntax (and parsing) in svg
attributes
<ChrisL> presentation attributes differences from style sheets:
units, scienetific notation, case sensitivity
dirk: i also wanted to suggest aryeh gregor as an editor for the
merged transforms spec
cl: is he member of css or svg wg?
dirk: he's a member of csswg
<ChrisL>
[8]https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=32061&public=1
[8] https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=32061&public=1
<ChrisL> sorry, misread. yes, he is
<scribe> ACTION: dirk to contact all the editors of
[9]http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-transforms/ to see if they agree to
have Aryeh Gregor as an editor too, and send a mail to public-fx
about it [recorded in
[10]http://www.w3.org/2012/02/13-fx-minutes.html#action01]
[9] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-transforms/
<trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Contact all the editors of
[11]http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-transforms/ to see if they agree to
have Aryeh Gregor as an editor too, and send a mail to public-fx
about it [on Dirk Schulze - due 2012-02-20].
[11] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-transforms/
<krit>
[12]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/fx/wiki/Merged_Transforms#Parser_issu
es
[12]
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/fx/wiki/Merged_Transforms#Parser_issues
<ChrisL> minutes are here (scroll down to Transforms )
<ChrisL>
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Feb/0550.html
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Feb/0550.html
<ChrisL> quote "David: I don't want 2d to wait on SVG stuff.
<ChrisL> David: 2d is not going to change. "
CL: smfr claimed 2d transforms is css only, not fx
... pointed out that svg had had transforms much longer, but people
didn't want to slow down
rik: the 2d spec, not the combined one?
cl: also concerns about where bugs were tracked
... csswg wants to push ahead with 2d transforms
... perhaps driven by the prefix discussions
CC: canon was interested in having 3d transforms in svg
... we were happy with it being a combined spec
... but don't want it to be css only
... it needs to work in svg
<ChrisL> I agree with Cyril
<ChrisL> and its sad there is no-one (except for myself) from CSS WG
here
dirk: currently working on the merged transforms spec, we're mostly
clear on transform-origin e.g
... there's no conclusion from the minutes CL pasted that says the
csswg will continue with the 2d transforms independently
CL: the minutes are a bit partial, vincent argued that we should
work together
... and there are issues with the spec still
... some issues joint between 2d and 3d
... we should discuss this in Hamburg
<ChrisL> I hope we can move forward on a joint spec at the Hamburg
meeting, since we are colocated SVG and CSS at that f2f
CC: from the minutes, david says "I don't want to wait on 2d stuff",
and svg has had transforms for 10-12 years, don't understand why css
would have to wait for svg
<ChrisL> also unminutes was Simon querying if there were SVG tests
for 2D transforms
CC: would be fine with transform with only 2d that is compatible
with svg, and later one spec with 3d with support for svg as well
<ChrisL> quite a bit of what I said was unminuted, it seems
CL: would be good to have proposed resolutions for the Hamburg
meeting
dirk: mayube the 3d stuff won't be ready, but 2d should be possible
<ChrisL> I agree, Simon is working hard on the 3d stuff
dirk: pretty sure we'll have a working draft to hamburg, 3d included
CC: simon says he was createing tests for 3d transforms
CL: some concerns from simon in the CSSWG meeting about testing
transforms, but svg has had this tested for a long time
... should be possible to just take tests from svg
rik: seems many things went unminuted in the csswg meeting
dirk: can we resolve that svg will use css-like parsing rules?
CL: what would it say exactly?
ed: we can resolve things on the public-fx mailinglist, if enough
people respond to the thread
<krit> [14]http://pastebin.com/HWC7mq6y
[14] http://pastebin.com/HWC7mq6y
dirk: only thing missing is that svg supports scientific notation
for numbers
ed: ok, let's try and resolve this on the list
issue-66
[15]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/proposals/css-animation/animation-proposal
.html
[15]
http://dev.w3.org/SVG/proposals/css-animation/animation-proposal.html
ed: previous discussions indicated that this should be made a spec
module on top of svg 1.1, and perhaps later included in svg2
dirk: i could be co-editor
cl: we need someone from MS to take this on
<ChrisL> it would be good to get a co-editor from microsoft, or more
involvement from them
ed: i could also co-edit
... we need more feedback from the csswg, i did send this to
www-style, but we might need to get this on the wg's agenda too
<scribe> ACTION: ed to contact Microsoft about ISSUE-66, and
editorship, and to mail the csswg chairs about the syntax issues for
svgattrs->cssprops [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2012/02/13-fx-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-70 - Contact Microsoft about ISSUE-66, and
editorship, and to mail the csswg chairs about the syntax issues for
svgattrs->cssprops [on Erik Dahlström - due 2012-02-20].
trackbot, end telcon
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: dirk to contact all the editors of
[17]http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-transforms/ to see if they agree to
have Aryeh Gregor as an editor too, and send a mail to public-fx
about it [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2012/02/13-fx-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: ed to contact Microsoft about ISSUE-66, and
editorship, and to mail the csswg chairs about the syntax issues for
svgattrs->cssprops [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2012/02/13-fx-minutes.html#action02]
[17] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-transforms/
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Erik Dahlstrom, Core Technology Developer, Opera Software
Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
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