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Re: ACTION NEEDED (Charlie, Nick, Leigh): XForms 1.1 schema update

From: Mark Birbeck <mark.birbeck@formsPlayer.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:38:54 +0100
Message-ID: <a707f8300709210138t756d3381o871f20df703fa314@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegroup.com" <Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegroup.com>
Cc: "John Boyer" <boyerj@ca.ibm.com>, "Klotz, Leigh" <Leigh.Klotz@xerox.com>, "new Forms WG" <public-forms@w3.org>, public-forms-request@w3.org, "Charles F Wiecha" <wiecha@us.ibm.com>

Hi Nick,

No disrespect to anyone here but I would doubt you would get this done
this side of Xmas if you start from scratch. There is a lot of work in
the current schemas, and a lot of problems have been solved. In
particular you need to understand XHTML Modularisation 1.1, since a
lot of time was spent to make the M12N framework and XForms 1.1 work

If you have been working on establishing the differences between the
versions then it sounds like all you would need me to do is help you
find the right places to change in the schemas.

So my suggestion would be to let me get my involvement in the RDFa
specs out of the way, and then I could probably help you to finish the
schemas in no time at all. I have been working almost non-stop on RDFa
stuff for quite a while now, and XForms has had to take a back seat,
I'm afraid. But today we are releasing syntax and primer documents to
the workgroup responsible for the RDFa taskforce (hurray! :)) which
means I should be able to find some time next week to look at the
schemas with you.



On 21/09/2007, Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegroup.com
<Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegroup.com> wrote:
> John and other interested ones,
> I spent quite some time to get the resolutions and action items out of the
> minutes of the ftf and previous call. I also spent more time then expected
> (several hours) to convert Steven's version of the differences between
> XForms 1.1 and XForms 1.0 and I'm now near a first pass in converting it
> to Spec XML. But the structure/layout is not yet XForms spec worthy. I
> think I need definitly some hours to make it something that can be used to
> put in our spec. I also have the examples for read-only that need to be
> made. If these have greater priority then the schema I won't be able to do
> any schema related work next week, because I think I have more then one
> day work left for the action items I previously mentioned.
> I don't know if Charlie or MarkB can give us a status of the current
> modularized version of the XForms schema, but if this is nearly done, I
> would prefer working on that, otherwise we will just throw away the work
> Charlie and MarkB put into that.
> Regards,
> Nick Van den Bleeken  -  Research & Development
> Inventive Designers
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> John Boyer <boyerj@ca.ibm.com>
> Sent by: public-forms-request@w3.org
> 09/21/2007 02:32 AM
> To
> Charles F Wiecha <wiecha@us.ibm.com>,
> Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegroup.com, "Klotz, Leigh"
> <Leigh.Klotz@xerox.com>
> cc
> Forms WG (new) <public-forms@w3.org>
> Subject
> ACTION NEEDED (Charlie, Nick, Leigh): XForms 1.1 schema update
> We had hoped to get some time on this during the face to face meeting, but
> the last call issues proved too time consuming (though I would
> characterize our progress as outstanding).
> This still leaves us in a precarious position of needing to have the spec
> ready for CR transition before the publication moratorium that will
> precede the tech plenary.  I need you, Charlie, Nick and Leigh, to help
> out by updating the XForms 1.1 schema.
> The idea is that we need
> 1) big update for submission
> 2) big update for actions (e.g. additions to insert, delete, toggle,
> setfocus, and remove actions we don't have like close, duplicate,
> destroy).
> 3) small update for UI (e.g. output element)
> 4) small update on model (e.g. version) and instance (e.g. src and
> resource)
> 5) Make sure schema reflects definition of "core form controls"
> 6) Many new datatypes in Section 5 (empties and email and card-number)
> Starting tomorrow, I need you guys to please please please begin
> exchanging some email on the list above to divide up the tasks and get
> this done.  We need to have an idea of how long it will take given the
> "one day a week" commitment you and your organization made.  I would
> recommend one person to take submission, one to take actions, and a third
> to do the rest.
> The files begin with
> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2007/XForms-11-Schema.xsd, but there are
> several other files.
> To make this as easy as possible, here are the files, as far as I can see.
> Thank you,
> John M. Boyer, Ph.D.
> STSM: Lotus Forms Architect and Researcher
> Chair, W3C Forms Working Group
> Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
> IBM Victoria Software Lab
> E-Mail: boyerj@ca.ibm.com
> Blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer
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