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Re: ACTION NEEDED (Charlie, Nick, Leigh): XForms 1.1 schema update

From: <Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegroup.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:13:59 +0200
To: "Mark Birbeck" <mark.birbeck@formsPlayer.com>
Cc: "John Boyer" <boyerj@ca.ibm.com>, "Klotz, Leigh" <Leigh.Klotz@xerox.com>, "new Forms WG" <public-forms@w3.org>, public-forms-request@w3.org, "Charles F Wiecha" <wiecha@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <OF6D3790CD.FD91F522-ONC125735D.00368293-C125735D.00383659@inventivegroup.com>

Hi Mark,

Sounds good if we can use your expertise to update the modularized 
schemes. I'm just a newbe in this area with no time to work on the XForms 
1.1 schema, but the fact that we need an updated schema before we can go 
to CR is convincing me to sacrifice some more spare time to the XForms WG.

But after a quick look to the current XForms 1.1 schema I noticed that 
there is still a lot commented out, and that the schemes aren't valid 
schemes yet. Is it correct that the modularized schemes sent by John 
aren't valid yet, or they just appearing invalid due to my limited schema 
knowledge?
I also noted that the XForms 1.1 schema is build on top of the modularized 
XForms 1.0 schema, what is really nice I think. But is the better 
definition in XForms 1.1 of 'core form controls' and 'container form 
controls' not going to be a problem, or are we going to backport this 
change also in the xforms-10-ui.xsd?

I also think that John captured the most important changes in his e-mail 
(those 5 items).

Regards,

Nick Van den Bleeken  -  Research & Development
Inventive Designers
Phone: +32 - 3 - 8210170
Fax: +32 - 3 - 8210171
Email: Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegroup.com

public-forms-request@w3.org wrote on 09/21/2007 10:38:54 AM:

> 
> Hi Nick,
> 
> No disrespect to anyone here but I would doubt you would get this done
> this side of Xmas if you start from scratch. There is a lot of work in
> the current schemas, and a lot of problems have been solved. In
> particular you need to understand XHTML Modularisation 1.1, since a
> lot of time was spent to make the M12N framework and XForms 1.1 work
> together.
> 
> If you have been working on establishing the differences between the
> versions then it sounds like all you would need me to do is help you
> find the right places to change in the schemas.
> 
> So my suggestion would be to let me get my involvement in the RDFa
> specs out of the way, and then I could probably help you to finish the
> schemas in no time at all. I have been working almost non-stop on RDFa
> stuff for quite a while now, and XForms has had to take a back seat,
> I'm afraid. But today we are releasing syntax and primer documents to
> the workgroup responsible for the RDFa taskforce (hurray! :)) which
> means I should be able to find some time next week to look at the
> schemas with you.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 21/09/2007, Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegroup.com
> <Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegroup.com> wrote:
> >
> > John and other interested ones,
> >
> > I spent quite some time to get the resolutions and action items out of 
the
> > minutes of the ftf and previous call. I also spent more time then 
expected
> > (several hours) to convert Steven's version of the differences between
> > XForms 1.1 and XForms 1.0 and I'm now near a first pass in converting 
it
> > to Spec XML. But the structure/layout is not yet XForms spec worthy. I
> > think I need definitly some hours to make it something that can be 
used to
> > put in our spec. I also have the examples for read-only that need to 
be
> > made. If these have greater priority then the schema I won't be able 
to do
> > any schema related work next week, because I think I have more then 
one
> > day work left for the action items I previously mentioned.
> >
> > I don't know if Charlie or MarkB can give us a status of the current
> > modularized version of the XForms schema, but if this is nearly done, 
I
> > would prefer working on that, otherwise we will just throw away the 
work
> > Charlie and MarkB put into that.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Nick Van den Bleeken  -  Research & Development
> > Inventive Designers
> > Phone: +32 - 3 - 8210170
> > Fax: +32 - 3 - 8210171
> > Email: Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegroup.com
> >
> >
> >
> > John Boyer <boyerj@ca.ibm.com>
> > Sent by: public-forms-request@w3.org
> > 09/21/2007 02:32 AM
> >
> > To
> > Charles F Wiecha <wiecha@us.ibm.com>,
> > Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegroup.com, "Klotz, Leigh"
> > <Leigh.Klotz@xerox.com>
> > cc
> > Forms WG (new) <public-forms@w3.org>
> > Subject
> > ACTION NEEDED (Charlie, Nick, Leigh): XForms 1.1 schema update
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We had hoped to get some time on this during the face to face meeting, 
but
> > the last call issues proved too time consuming (though I would
> > characterize our progress as outstanding).
> >
> > This still leaves us in a precarious position of needing to have the 
spec
> > ready for CR transition before the publication moratorium that will
> > precede the tech plenary.  I need you, Charlie, Nick and Leigh, to 
help
> > out by updating the XForms 1.1 schema.
> >
> > The idea is that we need
> >
> > 1) big update for submission
> > 2) big update for actions (e.g. additions to insert, delete, toggle,
> > setfocus, and remove actions we don't have like close, duplicate,
> > destroy).
> > 3) small update for UI (e.g. output element)
> > 4) small update on model (e.g. version) and instance (e.g. src and
> > resource)
> > 5) Make sure schema reflects definition of "core form controls"
> > 6) Many new datatypes in Section 5 (empties and email and card-number)
> >
> > Starting tomorrow, I need you guys to please please please begin
> > exchanging some email on the list above to divide up the tasks and get
> > this done.  We need to have an idea of how long it will take given the
> > "one day a week" commitment you and your organization made.  I would
> > recommend one person to take submission, one to take actions, and a 
third
> > to do the rest.
> >
> > The files begin with
> > http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2007/XForms-11-Schema.xsd, but there 
are
> > several other files.
> >
> > To make this as easy as possible, here are the files, as far as I can 
see.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> > John M. Boyer, Ph.D.
> > STSM: Lotus Forms Architect and Researcher
> > Chair, W3C Forms Working Group
> > Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
> > IBM Victoria Software Lab
> > E-Mail: boyerj@ca.ibm.com
> >
> > Blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer
> > [attachment "xforms-10-model.xsd" deleted by Nick Van den
> > Bleeken/Inventive Group] [attachment "xforms-10-handler-export.xsd"
> > deleted by Nick Van den Bleeken/Inventive Group] [attachment
> > "xforms-10-handler.xsd" deleted by Nick Van den Bleeken/Inventive 
Group]
> > [attachment "xforms-10-export.xsd" deleted by Nick Van den
> > Bleeken/Inventive Group] [attachment "xforms-10-datatypes.xsd" deleted 
by
> > Nick Van den Bleeken/Inventive Group] [attachment 
"XForms-11-Schema.xsd"
> > deleted by Nick Van den Bleeken/Inventive Group] [attachment
> > "xforms-10-ui.xsd" deleted by Nick Van den Bleeken/Inventive Group]
> > [attachment "xforms-10-submission.xsd" deleted by Nick Van den
> > Bleeken/Inventive Group] [attachment "xforms-10-rules.xsd" deleted by 
Nick
> > Van den Bleeken/Inventive Group]
> >
> >
> >
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