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Re: Certification and/or Education/Outreach

From: Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:13:43 -0500
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Le 23 nov. 2004,  12:14, Bryce Fields a crit :
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:46:04 -0500, Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org> wrote:
>> I would like to come back on the debate that Bryce has started. It's
>> not an easy topic and I would like to add another dimension to it.
>> * Certification            (Repressive)
>> * Education and Outreach   (Positive)
> I am curious as to why certification is considered to have repressive
> connotations.  What's repressive about an official acknowledgement
> that someone understands and knows how to use W3C technologies?

ok My bad the word was too strong. I would correct that by saying that 
Certification is a process where you check that things are supposed to 
be in accordance with a certain number of criterias. We could imagine 
the sequence of things as:

     Standard ---> Education  ---> Certification

One thing which might be important to understand is that I don't think 
we can't do certification without Education and Outreach and we can't 
do that without a good standard at the start. But I would love to hear 
other people about it.

>> As I have studied the topics of "certification at W3C" for the whole
>> year 2003 and part of 2004.
> Is there anywhere at the W3C site where we can read up on the current
> state of certification at W3C?

yes I will explain a bit more. But I wanted first to hear people on the 
liste, to not influence the discussion for now. :)

> And you bring up other aspects of certification I've honestly never
> considered (services, education, products).  Interesting.  I can't
> wait to hear others' opinions.

me too :)))

>> ==> Topic: Certification as a stick to learn the technology.
> I prefer to think of it as a carrot, and not a stick.  :-)


> I see posts from time to time in other discussion groups I frequent
> concerning degrees and/or certifications for web developers, and there
> never seems to be an adequate answer to people's queries (one such
> post arrived to Webdesign-L w/in minutes of my original post to this
> group).  There's a void out there, and I personally feel that the W3C
> could really leverage this as a tool to educate and to evangelize.

interesting :) Thanks I will look at the Webdesign-l. I don't remember 
if I'm still subscribed.

Karl Dubost - http://www.w3.org/People/karl/
W3C Conformance Manager
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