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Re: Certification and/or Education/Outreach

From: Pid <webmaster@neutralgrey.net>
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:46:23 +0000
Message-ID: <41A76BEF.10709@neutralgrey.net>
To: "public-evangelist@w3.org" <public-evangelist@w3.org>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,1358546,00.html

There's a number of things in this article that ought to be of interest 
to this list.


pid




Karl Dubost wrote:
> 
> 
> Le 23 nov. 2004,  12:14, Bryce Fields a crit :
> 
>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:46:04 -0500, Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to come back on the debate that Bryce has started. It's
>>> not an easy topic and I would like to add another dimension to it.
>>>
>>> * Certification            (Repressive)
>>> * Education and Outreach   (Positive)
>>
>> I am curious as to why certification is considered to have repressive
>> connotations.  What's repressive about an official acknowledgement
>> that someone understands and knows how to use W3C technologies?
> 
> 
> ok My bad the word was too strong. I would correct that by saying that 
> Certification is a process where you check that things are supposed to 
> be in accordance with a certain number of criterias. We could imagine 
> the sequence of things as:
> 
>     Standard ---> Education  ---> Certification
>                   Outreach
> 
> One thing which might be important to understand is that I don't think 
> we can't do certification without Education and Outreach and we can't do 
> that without a good standard at the start. But I would love to hear 
> other people about it.
> 
>>> As I have studied the topics of "certification at W3C" for the whole
>>> year 2003 and part of 2004.
>>
>>
>> Is there anywhere at the W3C site where we can read up on the current
>> state of certification at W3C?
> 
> 
> yes I will explain a bit more. But I wanted first to hear people on the 
> liste, to not influence the discussion for now. :)
> 
>> And you bring up other aspects of certification I've honestly never
>> considered (services, education, products).  Interesting.  I can't
>> wait to hear others' opinions.
> 
> 
> me too :)))
> 
>>> ==> Topic: Certification as a stick to learn the technology.
>>
>>
>> I prefer to think of it as a carrot, and not a stick.  :-)
> 
> 
> gotcha.
> 
>> I see posts from time to time in other discussion groups I frequent
>> concerning degrees and/or certifications for web developers, and there
>> never seems to be an adequate answer to people's queries (one such
>> post arrived to Webdesign-L w/in minutes of my original post to this
>> group).  There's a void out there, and I personally feel that the W3C
>> could really leverage this as a tool to educate and to evangelize.
> 
> 
> interesting :) Thanks I will look at the Webdesign-l. I don't remember 
> if I'm still subscribed.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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