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Re: XHTML Validator to RSS

From: Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:25:00 -0400
Message-Id: <638F92FE-CEC1-11D8-8462-000A95718F82@w3.org>
Cc: public-evangelist@w3.org
To: Josh King <skierx@gmail.com>
Hi Josh,

Thanks for your thoughtful comments.

Le 05 juil. 2004, à 14:03, Josh King a écrit :
> Recently there were some heated discussions (see
> http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/06/17/validation_m/index.php
> and links from it) venting frustration about validiation.  Much of
> this angst came from the fact that the designers were having to
> correct bazillions of small errors and as a result they became annoyed
> (rightly so).

I think we all agree on that in the sense that the business of 
validation should be done before publication. OK let's start the 
requirement for it.

* Process
Pre-Era 2004:
	Writing ----> Publishing ----> Validation  wripuva
Post-Era 2004
	Writing ----> Validation ----> Publishing

Most of the time, the developers don't have built-in validation 
mechanism. There are many things that could be checked the same way the 
LogValidator[1] is done right now on a modular plug-in architecture.

Try:
	call(HTML Checker)
	call(CSS Checker)
	call(URI Checker)
	call(Spell Checker)
	...
	call(Publish)
Except:
	echo "You are very bad and naughty, but we will help you to fix."

LogValidator [1] could be used for that purpose. There are still few 
issues:

	- local version for Intranet or Web sites in dev
	- Easy to use tools, no or minimal install.
	- Authoring Tools, CMS: implementation of validation mechanisms

I remember a remarkable article from Simon Willison about staying valid 
[5].
Movable Type has a plugin MTValidate [6]. Do you know about other tools?


* Developers Needs



* Education

What would you suggest to teach and convince:

	- Developers
		A guide, an article, a library tool?
		For example, should the Markup Validator
		should be a library with a specified API
		which could help developers to use it
		when they need in their software.

	- Users
		A guide how to write a Web page...
		yes I know it sounds a bit naive, but I
		don't know if we have that on the W3C
		Web site and there's always the  problem
		between source code/wysiwyg


References:

[1] LogValidator: http://www.w3.org/QA/Tools/LogValidator/
[2] Request for a Weblog Entry Validator: 
http://www.web-graphics.com/mtarchive/000693.php
[3] Posting a Blog Entry: http://www.s9y.org/39.html
[4] Validation Weblog entries: 
http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2002/11/07/validatingWeblogEntries
[5] Staying Valid: 
http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2004/05/02/stayingValid
[6] MTValidate: http://akosut.com/software/mtvalidate.html

-- 
Karl Dubost - http://www.w3.org/People/karl/
W3C Conformance Manager
*** Be Strict To Be Cool ***

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