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RE: Scientific and common names in SKOS

From: Antoine Isaac <Antoine.Isaac@KB.nl>
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:55:54 +0200
Message-ID: <68C22185DB90CA41A5ACBD8E834C5ECD0500257F@goofy.wpakb.kb.nl>
To: "Alan Ruttenberg" <alanruttenberg@gmail.com>, "Sini, Margherita \(KCEW\)" <Margherita.Sini@fao.org>
Cc: "Houghton,Andrew" <houghtoa@oclc.org>, <public-esw-thes@w3.org>
Hi,

 

What you could do is adapting the pattern Jakob Voss had proposed for
notations, which we re-use partly in SKOS (see e.g. [1] in the Primer)

Namely, private use language tags of RFC4646, something like:

x prefLabel "a"@en-x-common

x prefLabel "b"@en-x-scientific

 

Note that I've got no real clue if this is practically workable for
Margherita's case :-/

 

Antoine

 

 

[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-primer/#secnotations

 

 

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Van: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
[mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org] Namens Alan Ruttenberg
Verzonden: dinsdag 30 september 2008 8:27
Aan: Sini, Margherita (KCEW)
CC: Houghton,Andrew; public-esw-thes@w3.org
Onderwerp: Re: Scientific and common names in SKOS

 

Well, you are going to have other problems - it can be the case that
there are regional names for things - names that are preferred in one
region compared to another. Also there are cases where the same common
name refers to many species - e.g. mussels. Two concepts in SKOS can't
share a preferred label.

 

I don't think you are going to cram this all into preferred labels...

 

-Alan

 

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:00 AM, Sini, Margherita (KCEW)
<Margherita.Sini@fao.org> wrote:

The problem is that I wish not to use altLabels for scientific names,
because
the concept may have actually many more others altLabels... In fact i
wish
that people while indexing or searching documents, they could use a
common
name OR a scientific name based in their needs (a document on a receipt
of
potato or a scientific treaty on the species).

e.g.


<skos:Concept rdf:about="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#potatoes">
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="en">potatoes</skos:prefLabel>

    <skos:altLabel xml:lang="en">Irish Potato</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:altLabel xml:lang="en">white potato</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:altLabel xml:lang="en">potato (Solanaceae)</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="es">papa</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:altLabel xml:lang="es">patata</skos:prefLabel>
   <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="LA">Solanum tuberosum L.</skos:prefLabel>
   <skos:altLabel xml:lang="LA">Solanum tuberosum</skos:prefLabel>
</skos:Concept>

My problem with this solution above is that generally people selecting
their
main language as English or Spanish, should also have access to the
latin
names... so tagging them with latin, i am not sure is the good
solution...
The other solution may be:


<skos:Concept rdf:about="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#potatoes">
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="en">potatoes</skos:prefLabel>

    <skos:altLabel xml:lang="en">Irish Potato</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:altLabel xml:lang="en">white potato</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:altLabel xml:lang="en">potato (Solanaceae)</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="es">papa</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:altLabel xml:lang="es">patata</skos:prefLabel>
</skos:Concept>

<skos:Concept
rdf:about="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#solanum_tuberosum">
   <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="en">Solanum tuberosum L.</skos:prefLabel>
   <skos:altLabel xml:lang="en">Solanum tuberosum</skos:prefLabel>

   <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="es">Solanum tuberosum L.</skos:prefLabel>
   <skos:altLabel xml:lang="es">Solanum tuberosum</skos:prefLabel>
</skos:Concept>

And make the 2 concepts exactMatch....

Which one would be better? What other solutions?

Thanks
Margherita




       -----Original Message-----
       From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org on behalf of Alan Ruttenberg
       Sent: Tue 9/30/2008 06:30
       To: Houghton,Andrew
       Cc: public-esw-thes@w3.org
       Subject: Re: Scientific and common names in SKOS




       On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Houghton,Andrew
<houghtoa@oclc.org>
wrote:


               > From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
[mailto:public-esw-thes-
               > request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Sini, Margherita (KCEW)
               > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:49 PM
               > To: public-esw-thes@w3.org
               > Subject: Scientific and common names in SKOS

               >
               >
               > Dear all,
               >
               > I have the following problem: how to represent a KOS
which
contains
               > organisms
               > with scientific names and common names in SKOS?
               >
               > example for plants:  potatoes and "Solanum tuberosum",
will
these be 2
               > skos:concepts? NOTE: they may be both descriptors in
the
KOS, for
               > indexing
               > purposes.
               > Both can have multiple non-descriptors...
               >

               > [...]

               >
               > OR
               >
               > <skos:Concept
rdf:about="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#potatoes">
               >     <skos:prefLabel
xml:lang="en">potatoes</skos:prefLabel>
               >     <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="LA">Solanum
tuberosum</skos:prefLabel>
               > </skos:Concept>
               >
               > What if in the terminology i use both scientific name
and
common name
               > are
               > preferred and they are both marked in English? ... i
cannot
use 2
               > skos:prefLabel  for same language...


               Why not just declare fao:commonLabel and
fao:scientificLabel
as sub-properties of skos:prefLabel?

               Something like:

               <rdf:Property
rdf:about="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc/commonLabel">
                <rdfs:subPropertyof
rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos#prefLabel"/>
               </rdf:Property>

               <rdf:Property
rdf:about="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc/scientificLabel">
                <rdfs:subPropertyof
rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos#prefLabel"/>
               </rdf:Property>



       If you can't have two prefLabels, you can't do this. This means
that
each time you say

       x commonLabel foo
       y scientificLabel bar

       You have inferred (because of what subPropertyOf means - see
rdfs7 in
http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-mt/)

       x prefLabel foo
       y prefLabel bar

       i.e. two values for prefLabel.

       You can, however, have two altLabels.

       -Alan

 
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