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Re: Scientific and common names in SKOS

From: Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:26:51 -0400
Message-ID: <29af5e2d0809292326k598c6b9dwcf0db1e0ae54ba07@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Sini, Margherita (KCEW)" <Margherita.Sini@fao.org>
Cc: "Houghton,Andrew" <houghtoa@oclc.org>, public-esw-thes@w3.org
Well, you are going to have other problems - it can be the case that there
are regional names for things - names that are preferred in one region
compared to another. Also there are cases where the same common name refers
to many species - e.g. mussels. Two concepts in SKOS can't share a preferred
label.
I don't think you are going to cram this all into preferred labels...

-Alan

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:00 AM, Sini, Margherita (KCEW) <
Margherita.Sini@fao.org> wrote:

> The problem is that I wish not to use altLabels for scientific names,
> because
> the concept may have actually many more others altLabels... In fact i wish
> that people while indexing or searching documents, they could use a common
> name OR a scientific name based in their needs (a document on a receipt of
> potato or a scientific treaty on the species).
>
> e.g.
>
> <skos:Concept rdf:about="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#potatoes">
>     <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="en">potatoes</skos:prefLabel>
>      <skos:altLabel xml:lang="en">Irish Potato</skos:prefLabel>
>     <skos:altLabel xml:lang="en">white potato</skos:prefLabel>
>     <skos:altLabel xml:lang="en">potato (Solanaceae)</skos:prefLabel>
>     <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="es">papa</skos:prefLabel>
>     <skos:altLabel xml:lang="es">patata</skos:prefLabel>
>    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="LA">Solanum tuberosum L.</skos:prefLabel>
>    <skos:altLabel xml:lang="LA">Solanum tuberosum</skos:prefLabel>
> </skos:Concept>
>
> My problem with this solution above is that generally people selecting
> their
> main language as English or Spanish, should also have access to the latin
> names... so tagging them with latin, i am not sure is the good solution...
> The other solution may be:
>
> <skos:Concept rdf:about="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#potatoes">
>     <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="en">potatoes</skos:prefLabel>
>      <skos:altLabel xml:lang="en">Irish Potato</skos:prefLabel>
>     <skos:altLabel xml:lang="en">white potato</skos:prefLabel>
>     <skos:altLabel xml:lang="en">potato (Solanaceae)</skos:prefLabel>
>     <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="es">papa</skos:prefLabel>
>     <skos:altLabel xml:lang="es">patata</skos:prefLabel>
> </skos:Concept>
>
> <skos:Concept
> rdf:about="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#solanum_tuberosum">
>    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="en">Solanum tuberosum L.</skos:prefLabel>
>    <skos:altLabel xml:lang="en">Solanum tuberosum</skos:prefLabel>
>
>    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="es">Solanum tuberosum L.</skos:prefLabel>
>    <skos:altLabel xml:lang="es">Solanum tuberosum</skos:prefLabel>
> </skos:Concept>
>
> And make the 2 concepts exactMatch....
>
> Which one would be better? What other solutions?
>
> Thanks
> Margherita
>
>
>
>        -----Original Message-----
>        From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org on behalf of Alan Ruttenberg
>        Sent: Tue 9/30/2008 06:30
>        To: Houghton,Andrew
>        Cc: public-esw-thes@w3.org
>        Subject: Re: Scientific and common names in SKOS
>
>
>
>
>        On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Houghton,Andrew <houghtoa@oclc.org
> >
> wrote:
>
>
>                > From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
> [mailto:public-esw-thes-
>                > request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Sini, Margherita (KCEW)
>                > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:49 PM
>                > To: public-esw-thes@w3.org
>                > Subject: Scientific and common names in SKOS
>
>                >
>                >
>                > Dear all,
>                >
>                > I have the following problem: how to represent a KOS which
> contains
>                > organisms
>                > with scientific names and common names in SKOS?
>                >
>                > example for plants:  potatoes and "Solanum tuberosum",
> will
> these be 2
>                > skos:concepts? NOTE: they may be both descriptors in the
> KOS, for
>                > indexing
>                > purposes.
>                > Both can have multiple non-descriptors...
>                >
>
>                > [...]
>
>                >
>                > OR
>                >
>                > <skos:Concept
> rdf:about="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#potatoes">
>                >     <skos:prefLabel
> xml:lang="en">potatoes</skos:prefLabel>
>                >     <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="LA">Solanum
> tuberosum</skos:prefLabel>
>                > </skos:Concept>
>                >
>                > What if in the terminology i use both scientific name and
> common name
>                > are
>                > preferred and they are both marked in English? ... i
> cannot
> use 2
>                > skos:prefLabel  for same language...
>
>
>                Why not just declare fao:commonLabel and fao:scientificLabel
> as sub-properties of skos:prefLabel?
>
>                Something like:
>
>                <rdf:Property
> rdf:about="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc/commonLabel">
>                 <rdfs:subPropertyof
> rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos#prefLabel"/>
>                </rdf:Property>
>
>                <rdf:Property
> rdf:about="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc/scientificLabel">
>                 <rdfs:subPropertyof
> rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos#prefLabel"/>
>                </rdf:Property>
>
>
>
>        If you can't have two prefLabels, you can't do this. This means that
> each time you say
>
>        x commonLabel foo
>        y scientificLabel bar
>
>        You have inferred (because of what subPropertyOf means - see rdfs7
> in
> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-mt/)
>
>        x prefLabel foo
>        y prefLabel bar
>
>        i.e. two values for prefLabel.
>
>        You can, however, have two altLabels.
>
>        -Alan
>
>
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