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RE : [SKOS] relationships between labels (was RE : [SKOS] thesaurus USE patterns)

From: Antoine Isaac <Antoine.Isaac@KB.nl>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:08:22 +0100
Message-ID: <68C22185DB90CA41A5ACBD8E834C5ECD039A1F43@goofy.wpakb.kb.nl>
To: "Mark van Assem" <mark@cs.vu.nl>, "SKOS" <public-esw-thes@w3.org>
Hi Mark,

The point here is indeed that e.g. for the abbreviation link between labels, introducing a specialization of altLabel (let's say) does not take into account which is the one amongst the possibly many labels which is abbreviated.
If you have a concept C with prefLabel company that has as altLabel "corporation" and "firm", then there is difference between asserting (C,hasAbbreviatedLabel,"corp.") and asserting ("corporation",abbreviation,"corp.").

Cheers,

Antoine


-------- Message d'origine--------
De: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org de la part de Mark van Assem
Date: lun. 19/02/2007 15:59
: SKOS
Objet : Re: [SKOS] relationships between labels (was RE : [SKOS] thesaurus  USE patterns)
 


Hi Antoine,

Concerning the motivation part:

I think the SKOS Guide already gives possible solutions for writing
down acronyms etc.: creating subproperties of pref/AltLabel. The
problem is more what to do when you want to say something additional
about that term (such as mappings to other terms).

Cheers,
Mark.

Antoine Isaac wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> In the framework of the Semantic Web deployment group I was to capture 
> the issue on representing links between labels.
> Using many contributions from the people of this list (thanks by the way 
> for your mail, Mark) I wrote something on this problem. Input on it (cf 
> forwarded mail) is welcome, I hope I have respected everyone's 
> thoughts/proposals. Please remember it does not aim at addressing the 
> global problem of having labels as individuals, it is just focussed on 
> links between labels.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Antoine
> 
> -----
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have written on
> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/RelationshipsBetweenLabels
> a first attempt regarding the action:
> 
>  > [PENDING] ACTION: Antoine to capture the issue on capturing
>  > relationships between labels [recorded in
>  > [50]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action04]
> 
> 
> Perhaps the most important, concerning the action itself, is the
> 'motivation' part that gives example of such links between labels.
> The 'solutions' part goes into discussion on ways to solve the issue,
> inspired by the material found via [1]  and the page Alistair recently
> wrote about Annotation Patterns [2].
> Any further attempt to go into a solution in terms of SKOS model shall
> be worked out in cooperation with the issue on annotations on labels, I
> think.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Antoine
> 
> [1]
> http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/proposals.html#thesaurusRepresentation-11
> [2] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/AnnotationPatterns
> 
> 
> -------- Message d'origine--------
> De: Mark van Assem [mailto:mark@cs.vu.nl]
> Date: jeu. 15/02/2007 14:34
> : Antoine Isaac
> Cc: Bernard Vatant; SKOS
> Objet : Re: [SKOS] thesaurus USE patterns
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
>  > Well there is a point in what Bernard says: if you aim at some standard
>  > it's better if people are convinced there is nothing like a monster in
>  > the closet ;-)
> 
> Agreed. So who can spot a monster?
> 
>  > So keeping simple and keeping the door open for extensions, yes. Keeping
> 
> In which case you need a skos:Term class.
> 
> BTW there was a reconciliary proposal by Dan Brickley to indeed use the
> more complex model but provide a rule set with which you can
> automatically convert to the simpler (current) model. But I don't know
> if that would be useful as the conversion would probably be difficult
> the other way around.
> 
>  > I think that in the process of that I will try to give references to
>  > existing cases where these links would be useful. This may include some
> 
> Look at all the places where WordNet is used :-)
> A Term class basically means starting to use a model very similar to
> WordNet's.
> 
>  > also try to mine the old mails of this list, where this subject has
>  > already been debated as Mark recalls. So if you have examples to feed us
> 
> See [1,2,3].
> 
> Mark.
> 
> [1]http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/proposals.html#thesaurusRepresentation-11
> [2]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-esw-thes/2006May/0009.html
> [3]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-esw-thes/2005Nov/0000.html
> 
> 

-- 
  Mark F.J. van Assem - Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
        markREMOVE@cs.vu.nl - http://www.cs.vu.nl/~mark



-- 
  Mark F.J. van Assem - Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
        markREMOVE@cs.vu.nl - http://www.cs.vu.nl/~mark
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