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Re: W3C EGOV meeting, Monday 26 November 2012, 9:00 - 10:30 London time

From: Chris Beer <chris@codex.net.au>
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:38:29 +1100
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To: public-egov-ig@w3.org
I fail to see how your example is in anyway related to Michael and Brands.

Unless you mean its a good example of 1 or 2 star data?

Based on previous offerings, one would be on their guard about implementing a proposal aiming to provide a mobile application framework served from a URI which has the stated purpose of offering an alternative to the impending new world order where all people throw off the tyrannic shakles of mobile device use...

Sarcasm aside, the whole point of being able to access SOAP or RESTful API's is that you then don't need an appliction template - you utilise responsive design and build a resource which is device agnostic rather than having to create per device applications. Just suck down the data and format it how you like client side.

At any rate, much as I am always looking forward to your next thread hijacking and the inevitable highlighting of an unrelated non-issue:

"<ignoreAtWill>" - Smartest thing you said in there.

Because it made me think in the thread context (as I refocus on Michael and Brand and the topic at hand) that we are only using 1-5 stars and we aren't allowing for a NULL or 0 rating - should we be considering something along the lines of a value which provides a machine readable equiv of 

a) "this data should NOT be used - its not even 1 star quality" (e.g. a stable/persistant URI which returns a 40x or 50x response) or no client body, 

b) A default rating of NULL (i.e - the resource described has not been rated, us unknown, or cannot be rated)

c) the resource is very useful and of a high quality (5 star) but out of scope (e.g. has a security marking, or is a print resource or is otherwise not machine accessible?

Interested in thoughts as discussions here have highlighted the difference between the rating we might give data and the rating the publisher self evaluates it as.

Or is my concern unfounded?


Chris Beer
Sent from Samsung MobileGannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com> wrote:Concrete wording is a binomial with which I have only passing familiarity, as you all know.  Sorry :-)

To the specific example in the example though, perhaps I can point to a useful shortcut.  US NOAA (and the National Weather d wyeService) providevs their forecasts in an XML Format (DWML) and this is split between a timetable and current observations.  This can be un-split and and the timetable reused to provide a framework for apps.  The timetable is one dimensional across Longitudinal lines.  As a practical matter, just having the timetable template available to apps is a leap forward - the immediate future has a namespace.  

Obviously Temperature is not very smooth along Latitudinal lines, but normally distributed statistics are functional equivilents (a Fourier Transform) of the timetable axis alone.  IMHO, a 16 "day" cycle which avoids phantom tides in the metrics of Social Networks would be a better.  The "Open World Assumption" is not the Sidereal Time assumption, is it ? 

The service details are here:  http://graphical.weather.gov/xml/

I've made some examples where current observations are stripped and sunrise/sunset merged. I can give links to those, but the "big idea" is seasonal (growing) season dependence overlay for linked data identifiers, which can then be used as persistant.  Timestamps are a lot to inflict on a poor little Smart Phone, I think.



From: Michael Hausenblas <michael.hausenblas@deri.org>
To: Brand Niemann <bniemann@cox.net> 
Cc: 'Tomasz Janowski' <twjanowski@gmail.com>; public-egov-ig@w3.org 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: W3C EGOV meeting, Monday 26 November 2012, 9:00 - 10:30 London time

> I would also like to hear who has done the 5 stars:
> http://5stardata.info/#by-example

We did, based on TimBL's 5 star plan (see bottom of [1]). Improvements via pull requests are welcome via [2]  - alternatively, if you don't have a concrete wording,  you might want to raise an issue as well, there ;)


[1] http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html
[2] https://github.com/mhausenblas/5stardata.info

Dr. Michael Hausenblas, Research Fellow
DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute
NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway
Ireland, Europe
Tel.: +353 91 495730

On 26 Nov 2012, at 13:39, Brand Niemann wrote:

> Tomasz, I volunteer to talk about my work on Open Government Data for Japan
> (and the US and Europe):
> http://semanticommunity.info/A_Japan_METI_Open_Data_Dashboard
> I would also like to hear who has done the 5 stars:
> http://5stardata.info/#by-example
> make your stuff available on the Web (whatever format) under an open license
> make it available as structured data (e.g., Excel instead of image scan of a
> table)
> use non-proprietary formats (e.g., CSV instead of Excel)
> use URIs to identify things, so that people can point at your stuff
> link your data to other data to provide context
> and how (methodology, platforms, etc.)
> Brand
> Dr. Brand Niemann
> Director and Senior Data Scientist
> Semantic Community
> http://semanticommunity.info 
> http://gov.aol.com/bloggers/brand-niemann/ 
> 703-268-9314 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tomasz Janowski [mailto:twjanowski@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:50 AM
> To: public-egov-ig@w3.org
> Subject: W3C EGOV meeting, Monday 26 November 2012, 9:00 - 10:30 London time
> Dear All,
> The meeting is about to start. Here are the details:
> TIME - 0900-1030 London time
> TOPIC - Open Government Data
> 0900-0905: Value of Open Government Data (Tomasz Janowski)
> 0905-0930: Open Knowledge Foundation (Rufus Pollock)
> 0930-0955: Openness and Reuse of Public Sector Information using Open Data
> Publishing (Serafin Olcoz)
> 0955-1020: Government Information Sharing Framework (Elsa Estevez)
> 1020-1025: Call for Contributors to the W3C EGOV IG Note on the Use of
> Social Media by Governments (Daniel Bennett)
> 1025-1030: Call for Speakers on Open Government Data (Tomasz Janowski)
> MINUTES UPDATES http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page#Upcoming_meetings
> This will be the second meeting focusing on Open Government Data. We warmly
> welcome expressions of interest to make short presentations about Open
> Government Data at this and future meetings of the group.
> If you know about an initiative, experience, research findings, etc.
> worth sharing, please present it to the group, encourage your colleagues to
> present, and contact Jeanne (jeanne.m.holm@jpl.nasa.gov) or Tomasz
> (tj@iist.unu.edu).
> We will also need a member of the group to help scribe. This is essentially
> taking notes in the IRC chat during the teleconference to capture the key
> points of the discussion. If you are able to scribe for the next or future
> meetings, please contact Tomasz or Jeanne.
> Ways to connect: 
> --Telecon line: Dial +1-617-761-6200 or
> sip:zakim@voip.w3.org<mailto:zakim@voip.w3.org> then conference code 3468#
> ("EGOV#") --W3C IRC channel #egov, see http://www.w3.org/Project/IRC/ or use
> http://irc.w3.org/?channels=egov
> --Scribe: (please volunteer, if you've done this before) --Group access via
> the W3C at http://www.w3.org/egov/ and also via LinkedIn at the W3C
> eGovernment Interest Group:
> http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1800648&trk=hb_side_g
> I look forward to talking with you soon...
> Many regards,
> Tomasz
> ------------
> Tomasz Janowski, PhD
> United Nations University
> Co-Chair, e-Government Interest Group, World Wide Web Consortium
> www:  http://unu.edu/faculty/tomasz-janowski
> email: tj@iist.unu.edu | phone: +853 66652305 | skype: tomaszjanowski
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