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RE: what do you mean, e-gov?

From: Brand Niemann <bniemann@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 10:04:34 -0400
To: "'Mick Phythian'" <mick.phythian@gmail.com>
Cc: "'Kris Dev'" <krisdev@gmail.com>, <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>, "'eGov IG \(Public\)'" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <01b001cd29fe$d586b6a0$809423e0$@cox.net>
Thanks. Well-said!


From: Mick Phythian [mailto:mick.phythian@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:10 AM
To: Brand Niemann
Cc: Kris Dev; paoladimaio10@googlemail.com; eGov IG (Public)
Subject: Re: what do you mean, e-gov?




I love your 'Communities of Services', I'd just been drafting a similar
illustration but of how they are now with no 'joins'. Structuration theory
leads us to my model but it will take one massive leave to move it to yours.
Part of the problem is governance - govern comes from the Greek 'kubernan' =
'to steer" but few holding the wheel will want to let go and it ether ends
up with being steered by committee or zig-zagging all over.


We have the technology but I'm afraid we still need the culture...


Mick http://greatemancipator.com

On 4 May 2012 12:51, Brand Niemann <bniemann@cox.net> wrote:

This new report on Smart Lean Government talks about governance:

and I refer to it in my latest AOL Government Story:



Dr. Brand Niemann

Director and Senior Data Scientist

Semantic Community





From: Kris Dev [mailto:krisdev@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:41 PM
To: paoladimaio10@googlemail.com
Cc: eGov IG (Public)

Subject: Re: what do you mean, e-gov?



Governance is primarily to exercise control  - an imperial terminology to
exercise sovereign authority as below:

1. To make and administer the public policy and affairs of; exercise
sovereign authority in.

2. To control the speed or magnitude of; regulate: a valve that governs fuel

3. To control the actions or behavior of: Govern yourselves like civilized

4. To keep under control; restrain: a student who could not govern his

5. To exercise a deciding or determining influence on: Chance usually
governs the outcome of the game.

6. Grammar To require (a specific morphological form) of accompanying words.


1. To exercise political authority.

2. To have or exercise a determining influence.

To me e-Gov is EGO Governance!!

I would personally like to move away from the word Governance to Self-Rule
or Self-Administration - of the people, by the people, for the people.

For this to happen everyone should have a right to voice their opinion and
vote on anything that could affect them (future), affects them (present) and
affected them (past) and be heard by the collective. This would necessitate
Transparency in all dealings for Accountability. Nothing should be a secret
and done on the sly. All public activities must be transparent for all to
see, challenged and defended. Right should prevail over wrong. This would
discourage anyone from indulging in any wrong activity and even if they do,
leave an indelible audit trail for tracking and be held accountable at any

How do others react to this?

Kris Dev. 

On 25 April 2012 00:39, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:


For those who have been around the last twenty years or any

subset thereof, the question is not new. We each seem to

use the same word with different meanings (anyone else laughing hysterically
at this point?)


I was recently giving a talk and providing my own definition(s), and would
have liked

to point to the W3C definition of egov. But I could not remember whether we
agreed on one, and where it can be accessed.  Admittedly I have been away a
lot lately.


For example,  for me egovernance applies to both

the governance of civil society institutions (presumably the governance
democratic institutions that are ruled by first principles, and the
universal declaration of human rights, although in reality there may not be
many governments that do so), as well as the governance of online
communities, whereby the information and decisions are mediated by online
technologies, or something like that. But not sure if this has been

I do not remember any such discussions on list. Is it my memory failing me


Any threads/uri's someone could kindly repost if these questions have
already been asked?


if not, i would invite the IG Chairs to start off with some proposed
definitions, either on list or on wiki page possibly one for each term in
our shared vocabulary, (wiki? url......), then  members (other than pure
lurkers) could introduce themseles and get their active participation in the

group going by entering their own definitions/variations, with possibly a
link to their profile

so that we can start getting to know each other meaningfully?:-)







Mick Phythian PhD

http://greatemancipator.com <http://greatemancipator.com/> 


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