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Re: what do you mean, e-gov?

From: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 06:55:40 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <1336053340.69133.YahooMailNeo@web112605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
To: Mick Phythian <mick.phythian@gmail.com>, Kris Dev <krisdev@gmail.com>
Cc: "paoladimaio10@googlemail.com" <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>, "eGov IG \(Public\)" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
I agree with Mick.  Perhaps I was a bit rude to Civil Servants when I termed the automation of administrative roles "Artificial Bureaucracy"[1] to distinguish it from Artificial Intelligence :o)  I like "E-Governance" better.

One problem a Direct Democracy must solve, and a Representative Democracy does not have (in theory) is crowd sourcing.  For example, we Texans know our role in direct democracy.  Australia is governed by pious Australians and drunk Cowboys, because every Saturday Night in Dallas is Sunday Morning in Canberra.  I'm joking but the point is that Representative Democracy is an organization, but may not include groups of people, other organizations, as individual members.  Direct Democracy is also an organization of the same type with respect to membership requirements and must exclude sub-groups.


--Gannon


[1] http://www.rustprivacy.org/2012/urn/egov/


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 From: Mick Phythian <mick.phythian@gmail.com>
To: Kris Dev <krisdev@gmail.com> 
Cc: paoladimaio10@googlemail.com; eGov IG (Public) <public-egov-ig@w3.org> 
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: what do you mean, e-gov?
 

Kris, I like your idea but that's direct democracy. Most of us are in representative democracies and hence my saying a definition may be required if we are to use terms like e-democracy or e-governance.
 
E-governance can also be used to automate administrative roles within a representative democracy or direct one.
 
Cheers,
 
Mick http://greatemancipator.com

On 3 May 2012 04:40, Kris Dev <krisdev@gmail.com> wrote:

Paola,
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>Governance is primarily to exercise control  - an imperial terminology to exercise sovereign authority as below:
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>1.  To make and administer the public policy and affairs of; exercise sovereign authority in.
>2.  To control the speed or magnitude of; regulate: a valve that governs fuel intake.
>3.  To control the actions or behavior of: Govern yourselves like civilized people.
>4.  To keep under control; restrain: a student who could not govern his impulses.
>5.  To exercise a deciding or determining influence on: Chance usually governs the outcome of the game.
>6.  Grammar To require (a specific morphological form) of accompanying words.
>v.intr.
>1.  To exercise political authority.
>2.  To have or exercise a determining influence.
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>To me e-Gov is EGO Governance!!
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>I would personally like to move away from the word Governance to Self-Rule or Self-Administration - of the people, by the people, for the people.
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>For this to happen everyone should have a right to voice their opinion and vote on anything that could affect them (future), affects them (present) and affected them (past) and be heard by the collective. This would necessitate Transparency in all dealings for Accountability. Nothing should be a secret and done on the sly. All public activities must be transparent for all to see, challenged and defended. Right should prevail over wrong. This would discourage anyone from indulging in any wrong activity and even if they do, leave an indelible audit trail for tracking and be held accountable at any time.   
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>How do others react to this?
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>Kris Dev. 
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>On 25 April 2012 00:39, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>For those who have been around the last twenty years or any
>>subset thereof, the question is not new. We each seem to
>>use the same word with different meanings (anyone else laughing hysterically at this point?)
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>>I was recently giving a talk and providing my own definition(s), and would have liked
>>to point to the W3C definition of egov. But I could not remember whether we agreed on one, and where it can be accessed.  Admittedly I have been away a lot lately.
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>>For example,  for me egovernance applies to both
>>the governance of civil society institutions (presumably the governance democratic institutions that are ruled by first principles, and the universal declaration of human rights, although in reality there may not be many governments that do so), as well as the governance of online communities, whereby the information and decisions are mediated by online technologies, or something like that. But not sure if this has been discussed
>>I do not remember any such discussions on list. Is it my memory failing me again?
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>>Any threads/uri's someone could kindly repost if these questions have already been asked?
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>>if not, i would invite the IG Chairs to start off with some proposed definitions, either on list or on wiki page possibly one for each term in our shared vocabulary, (wiki? url......), then  members (other than pure lurkers) could introduce themseles and get their active participation in the
>>group going by entering their own definitions/variations, with possibly a link to their profile
>>so that we can start getting to know each other meaningfully?:-)
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>>sincerely
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>>PDM


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Mick Phythian PhD

http://greatemancipator.com
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