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Re: conceptual model for public service

From: Jose M. Alonso <josema@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:18:18 -0600
Cc: "Owen Ambur" <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>, <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
Message-Id: <1DA25D47-26EC-420A-930B-0E0776214A8A@w3.org>
To: "Peristeras, Vassilios" <vassilios.peristeras@deri.org>

> @ Jose: I have the feeling (though still need to check) through  
> participation and work in European eGov projects that there is  
> already a nuclear of W3C members organizations that could support  
> the proposal of a future group within W3C to work towards this  
> direction. If this feeling is shared with at least some of the  
> participants of this group then I could volunteer to initiate a more  
> active discussion/survey to check the real interest of more parties.


If there are Members that are interested in eGov and are not  
participating in the Group, I think first thing is to engage them in  
the *current* work not to fragment it more.

If there are several with enough interest in creating this model, then  
I think the Group could serve as a channel to prepare this. Remember  
that current eGov Activity charter expires on 31 May 2008 and one of  
the things I expect from the Group is to draft the new charter if we  
as a Group decide to continue working on eGov (say v2) at W3C (we'll  
need Membership approval then). Maybe we'd like to include the  
construction of the model then. Too early to say.

Another approach is just to talk to them as you suggest and if you  
find enough interest, maybe charter an XG *asap* to draft  
requirements, so it could converge with eGov v2 at W3C (if that  

Bottom line: check if you feel like that but let's try to keep both  
things aligned.

Btw, if I put my CTIC hat on to answer, I think CTIC would be  
interested in working towards this (but I'd also need to check)... EC  
funding would be mostly welcome, of course :-)

-- Jose.

> Best regards,
> Vassilios
> [1] http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-egov-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-egov-ig-request@w3.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Owen Ambur
> Sent: 03 November 2008 17:34
> To: public-egov-ig@w3.org
> Subject: RE: conceptual model -- Re: types of use cases?
> I'd like to see a use case for a model like this, to help me  
> understand its
> potential benefits.
> Vassilios, do you have a glossary containing definitions of each of  
> the
> elements in plain English?  In part 2 of the Strategy Markup Language
> (StratML) standard, we plan to include the following elements that are
> contained in your conceptual model:
>       http://xml.gov/stratml/draft/StratMLCoreGlossary.xml#InputType
>       http://xml.gov/stratml/draft/StratMLCoreGlossary.xml#OutputType
>       http://xml.gov/stratml/draft/StratMLCoreGlossary.xml#OutcomeType
> In the first release of the standard, our <Stakeholder> element  
> includes
> both the Citizen as well as the Service Provider concepts contained  
> in your
> model: http://xml.gov/stratml/draft/ 
> StratMLCoreGlossary.xml#Stakeholder
> In a future release, we may include an element for <Authority>,  
> which would
> include your concept of Law as well as regulation.
> While the first page needs to be updated a bit to reflect the  
> current draft
> of the first release of StratML, the second page of the following  
> graphic
> depicts our preliminary thinking about the elements of the second  
> release,
> which will specify the elements of performance plans and reports:
> http://xml.gov/stratml/draft/ 
> StratMLPerformancePlanCoreFrameworkV3.pdf A
> simplified view of what we may call the Value Chain is provided at
> http://xml.gov/stratml/draft/ValueChain.htm
> Our intent is for the StratML standard to be generic enough to apply  
> not
> just to all government agencies but also all organization worldwide,
> including commercial enterprises.  However, the use case I have  
> drafted for
> consideration by the eGov IG is available at
> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Case_1_-_Strategic_Plans
> Hopefully, having a clearer understanding of not only of the  
> <Stakeholders>
> but also the required <Inputs> as well as the desired <Outputs> and
> <Outcomes> will eventually facilitate more rational consideration of  
> the
> distinctions between functions that are inherently governmental in  
> nature
> versus those that may more efficiently and effectively be conducted by
> commercial/industrial organizations.
> Owen Ambur
> Co-Chair Emeritus, xmlCoP
> Co-Chair, AIIM StratML Committee
> Member, AIIM iECM Committee
> Invited Expert, W3C eGov IG
> Membership Director, FIRM Board
> Former Project Manager, ET.gov
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-egov-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-egov-ig-request@w3.org 
> ]
> On Behalf Of Jose M. Alonso
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:59 AM
> To: public-egov-ig@w3.org
> Cc: Owen Ambur
> Subject: conceptual model -- Re: types of use cases? -- Re: regrets  
> for
> today's meeting
> All,
> Not as an answer to Owen's message, but I'm copying below a message  
> in the
> thread that was somewhat missing. It provides a graphic that Vassilios
> attached to explain the conceptual model.
> It may be doable to apply that model to many other countries if kept  
> at such
> an abstract layer, not sure about the benefit though, but  
> interesting in
> learning about the experiences.
> Said that, I agreed with Vassilios on that:
> 1) developing the model is out of scope for this Group
> 2) identifying there's a need for one is within scope
>     (if we agree on the need as a Group, of course)
> Hence why I encouraged all to have this discussion in the open.
> -- Jose
> El 29/10/2008, a las 13:56, Peristeras, Vassilios escribió:
> > Jose, thanks for the comments.
> >
> > To give a hands-on example, please take a look below to the model.
> > The model is also available in OWL and WSML. Do you think that
> > something like this may appear different in different countries? For
> > the time being, we found it applicable at least to three EU  
> countries
> > where we tested it and modeled services (Greece,Cyprus,
> > Italy) but I really don’t think that applying it to e.g. Africa  
> would
> > make any difference.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Vassilios
> >
> > I apologize for the teleconf today. I won’t participate but will
> > follow the minutes.
> <gea glossary 0.2.pdf>
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