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Re: Automated benefits list (was Re: Some more examples done)

From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 05:09:18 -0000
Message-ID: <d1d57b2776e10ad4cbd50440be5f545d.squirrel@webmail.sophia.w3.org>
To: "Laufer" <laufer@globo.com>
Cc: "Bernadette Farias Lóscio" <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>, "Phil Archer" <phila@w3.org>, "Newton Calegari" <newton@nic.br>, "Caroline Burle" <cburle@nic.br>, "Public DWBP WG" <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>

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> Very good, Phil!
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> Congrats!
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> Do you think that links from the stamps to the benefits section would be
> too much?

Oh we can link anything :-)


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> Cheers, Laufer
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> Em 07/12/2015 22:05, Bernadette Farias Lóscio escreveu:
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>> Hi Phil,
>>
>> Thanks a lot for all the updates and improvements on the DWBP doc :) I'm
>> really happy with the new version.
>>
>> Please feel free to change the style when you think its necessary. I
>> just know the basics of html, so improvements and suggestions are really
>> welcome :)
>>
>> Newton solved the conflicts and the new version is already on Github
>> [1].
>>
>> Concerning the links, I agree that it is better to use the same link in
>> the text and in the hyperlink. I'm gonna try to include a link for the
>> files in the example section.
>>
>> We still need to update some of the links in the document because we
>> were using just example.org [1].
>>
>> Thanks! Berna
>>
>> [1] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html [2]
>>
>> 2015-12-07 9:02 GMT-03:00 Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>:
>> I've spent more time on the doc since our last meeting (actually, too
>> much time, I need to stop enjoying myself by wiring code and get on with
>> some other stuff, including creating the RDF files I promised the vocab
>> editors).
>>
>> Basic aim:
>> - replace the static image of the lists of benefits with something that
>> is auto-generated.
>>
>> Others have created the HTML/CSS version so I used the styles from
>> Bernadette's repo but made various changes and suggestions.
>>
>> In more detail
>> ==============
>>
>> There's now some scripting at the top of the page that sets up details
>> of the benefits themselves and then looks through the doc for instances
>> of ul elements of class 'benefitsList'.
>>
>> At present, all the BPs end with a set of img elements. I've replaced
>> those in the HTML with a ul list. If scripting is disabled then the user
>> would see that textual list. With it turned on, they get replaced by the
>> icons.
>>
>> The CSS for the tables was a little tricky. It was all over the shop in
>> my version, even though I re-used the styles that work in Berna's
>> version. In the end I've set it up using a multi-column layout and that
>> seems to work.
>>
>> I also played with the SVG a little to make the text centralised across
>> the icon itself.
>>
>> I question the value in saying that every BP has the benefit of reuse.
>> It's true that they do, but, as you say, that's the point of the doc as
>> a whole. I'd be inclined to drop that as a specific benefit. Where it is
>> the only benefit for a BP then we may need to come up with a new one :-)
>>
>> @Newton, on your question here...
>> Yes, having a live dataset is clearly good. I do worry about having a
>> different link in the text than the actual hyperlink. Thinking about it,
>> I'd be inclined to make a separate link.
>>
>> As an example, see http://www.w3.org/TR/powder-dr/#operational [3]
>>
>> If there's just one CSV file for the whole doc then it can be linked
>> from the section where the running example is first introduced?
>>
>> Also, please note that I've changed the domain data.mycity.gov [4] to
>> data.mycity.example (since mycity.gov [5] could potentially exist one
>> day, .example will not).
>>
>> Too much has changed in the main repo for me to make a PR (at least, one
>> that can be merged) but you can see everything I've done at
>> http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html [6]
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Phil.
>>
>> On 04/12/2015 12:57, Newton Calegari wrote:
>> Hi Phil,
>>
>> thanks for your contribution :-)
>>
>> To make the examples more practical, we would like to use "some real
>> examples", lke to make a dataset available, for instance.
>>
>> In the example you decied to use the URL
>> http://data.mycity.gov/public-transport/road/bus/dataset/timetable.csv
>> [7]
>> <http://data.mycity.gov/public-transport/road/bus/dataset/timetable.csv
>> [7]>, but we want to make possible to access the "timetable.csv" in the
>> "http://w3.org/TR/dwbp/examples/data.mycity.gov/public-transport
>> [8]...timetable.csv".
>>
>> Do you think if it is ok on using something like this, to make the
>> dataset accessible:
>> <a
>> href="http://w3.org/TR/dwbp/examples/data.mycity.gov/public-ransport/road/bus/dataset/timetable.csv
>> [9]">http://data.mycity.gov/public-transport/road/bus/dataset/timetable.csv
>> [7]</a>
>>
>> The "visible link" will be different of the href.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Newton
>>
>> Em 03/12/2015, à(s) 15:35, Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>
>> escreveu:
>>
>> Hi Phil,
>>
>> Thanks a lot for your message and for your contribution!
>>
>> I've been spending some more time looking at the BP doc - it's looking
>> better all the time.
>>
>> Thanks :)
>>
>> I know you've done a lot on it recently, so much so that I can't merge
>> my changes. Don't care what people say, if 2 people are working on the
>> doc at the same time, 99% of the time one of you is going to trash your
>> local GH fork and start again. C'est la vie :-)
>>
>> Anyway, you can see what I've done at
>> http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DataIdentifiers [10]
>> <http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DataIdentifiers [10]>
>>
>> The first two BPs there now have examples that build on the running
>> example of My City data.
>>
>> Yes, it's gonna be difficult to merge because now I am reviewing the
>> whole document and I'm trying to include more examples and the BP
>> benefits. In this case, it's better if I include the examples that tou
>> created on the version that I'm working now.
>>
>> As a result of this, I've made a note that I'd really like to change the
>> many instances of :dataset-001 to :timetable-001 (and equivalent changes
>> throughout). This is because it makes more sense in the context of a
>> persistent URI for the dataset.
>>
>> Yes! I like the idea! I'm gonna do this.
>>
>> I've also been working with Christophe on examples for the Data
>> preservation section. See
>> http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#EvaluateCandD [11]
>> <http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#EvaluateCandD [11]>
>>
>> I have more I want to do tomorrow before the meeting but that's where
>> I'm up to for now.
>>
>> Great Phil! I am really happy with the examples.
>>
>> I also want to update the SVG diagram and turn those lists of benefits
>> into HTML/CSS rather than the current image.
>>
>> It sounds great! I used the png because I'm not really good with svg or
>> CSS.
>>
>> And those SVG icons for the benefits should, I think, be separate files
>> and incorporated as <img src="....svg" rather than written inline, no?
>>
>> Yes! I'm gonna do this.
>>
>> And, finally, native-speaker pedantry coming up...
>>
>> Trustworthy should really be "Trustworthiness" but that's very long. How
>> about simply 'Trust'?
>>
>> And one more thing, 'Accessibility' at W3C usually refers to the
>> accessibility of Web pages (WCAG and all that). Would you be OK with
>> simply calling that benefit 'Access'?
>>
>> I think it's ok! I was not really happy with the use of "Accessibility".
>> Let's use Access and wait for the feedback ;)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Berna
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Phil.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Phil Archer
>> W3C Data Activity Lead
>> http://www.w3.org/2013/data/ [12] <http://www.w3.org/2013/data/ [12]>
>>
>> http://philarcher.org [13] <http://philarcher.org/ [14]>
>> +44 (0)7887 767755 [15] <tel:%2B44%20%280%297887%20767755>
>> @philarcher1
>>
>> --
>> Bernadette Farias Lóscio
>> Centro de Informática
>> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
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> Phil Archer
> W3C Data Activity Lead
> http://www.w3.org/2013/data/ [12]
>
> http://philarcher.org [13]
> +44 (0)7887 767755 [15]
> @philarcher1
>
> --
>
> Bernadette Farias Lóscio
> Centro de Informática
> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
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> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://example.org
> [2] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html
> [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/powder-dr/#operational
> [4] http://data.mycity.gov
> [5] http://mycity.gov
> [6] http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html
> [7]
> http://data.mycity.gov/public-transport/road/bus/dataset/timetable.csv
> [8] http://w3.org/TR/dwbp/examples/data.mycity.gov/public-transport
> [9]
> http://w3.org/TR/dwbp/examples/data.mycity.gov/public-ransport/road/bus/dataset/timetable.csv
> [10] http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DataIdentifiers
> [11] http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#EvaluateCandD
> [12] http://www.w3.org/2013/data/
> [13] http://philarcher.org
> [14] http://philarcher.org/
> [15] tel:%2B44%20%280%297887%20767755
>


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