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RE: ISSUE-69: Do we include versioning in the bp doc? currently there are no use cases for it

From: Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:04:05 +0100
To: 'João Paulo Almeida' <jpalmeida@ieee.org>, 'Bernadette Farias Lóscio' <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>, 'Christophe Guéret' <christophe.gueret@dans.knaw.nl>
Cc: "'Ghislain Atemezing'" <auguste.atemezing@eurecom.fr>, <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <001301d00b24$f05cdbd0$d1169370$@makxdekkers.com>
João Paulo,

 

I meant number 1: every ontology is a dataset.

 

Here the inference:

 

Ontology is one of the possible values of the types of the Asset in
ADMS, the Asset Description Metadata Schema
http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-adms/, with URI
http://purl.org/adms/assettype/Ontology. So, an ontology is an
adms:Asset. In fact, ADMS was specifically designed to describe things
like ontologies, controlled vocabularies, taxonomies, code lists, etc.
etc.

 

Furthermore, the ADMS specification asserts: 

 

adms:Asset is a subclass of dcat:Dataset

 

So, an ontology is a dataset.

 

Makx.

 

 

 

From: João Paulo Almeida [mailto:jpandradealmeida@gmail.com] On Behalf
Of João Paulo Almeida
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 4:45 PM
To: Makx Dekkers; 'Bernadette Farias Lóscio'; 'Christophe Guéret'
Cc: 'Ghislain Atemezing'; public-dwbp-wg@w3.org
Subject: Re: ISSUE-69: Do we include versioning in the bp doc? currently
there are no use cases for it

 

Hi Makx and Bernadette,

 

Perhaps from the perspective of versioning, dataset and ontologies can
be treated alike. So actually, we would be versioning resources.

 

Makx: the sentence you used seems to be open to many (possibly undesired
interpretations). Do you mean to say what I said above or something
further with “an ontology is a type of dataset”?

More specifically, do you mean that:

1. every ontology O is a dataset?

2. an ontology O defines a type of dataset?

3. None of the above.

 

Regards,

João Paulo

 

From: Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com <mailto:mail@makxdekkers.com> >
Date: Friday, November 28, 2014 at 10:40 AM
To: 'Bernadette Farias Lóscio' <bfl@cin.ufpe.br <mailto:bfl@cin.ufpe.br>
>, 'Christophe Guéret' <christophe.gueret@dans.knaw.nl
<mailto:christophe.gueret@dans.knaw.nl> >
Cc: 'Ghislain Atemezing' <auguste.atemezing@eurecom.fr
<mailto:auguste.atemezing@eurecom.fr> >, <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org
<mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org> >
Subject: RE: ISSUE-69: Do we include versioning in the bp doc? currently
there are no use cases for it
Resent-From: <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org> >
Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:41:24 +0000

 

Bernadette,

 

Good point. In fact, an ontology is a type of dataset.

 

Makx.

 

From: Bernadette Farias Lóscio [mailto:bfl@cin.ufpe.br] 
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 1:24 PM
To: Christophe Guéret
Cc: Ghislain Atemezing; public-dwbp-wg@w3.org
<mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org> 
Subject: Re: ISSUE-69: Do we include versioning in the bp doc? currently
there are no use cases for it

 

Hello Christophe,

 

I think it's gonna be easier if we don't make this difference. Then, in
this case, we need to make clear that a resource may denote a dataset or
a vocabulary. Do you agree?

 

Thanks,

Bernadette

 

2014-11-28 9:11 GMT-03:00 Christophe Guéret
<christophe.gueret@dans.knaw.nl <mailto:christophe.gueret@dans.knaw.nl>
>:

Hoi,

Do we really need to make the difference between data/metadata and
datasets/vocabularies to speak about versioning ?

IMHO it would be best to just focus on versioning resource identifiers.
Then a requirement on the design of identifiers to ensure they are
version-proof would be sufficient.

Christophe

 

On 28 November 2014 at 13:00, Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br
<mailto:bfl@cin.ufpe.br> > wrote:

Hello Ghislain,

 

Thanks for adding one more use case and also for this dicussion about
versioning!

 

In my opinion, versioning metadata should be provided both for datasets
and vocabularies (ontologies). In the same way, it is important to have
best practices for URI design that helps to deal with these different
versions.

 

However, it is not clear for me if the new requirement
*R-VersionURIDesign*: “Data should have a canonical way to design URIs
for different snapshot of the dataset.”  concerns versions of both
(datasets and vocabularies). 

 

Thanks!

Bernadette

 

2014-11-27 11:18 GMT-03:00 Ghislain Atemezing
<auguste.atemezing@eurecom.fr <mailto:auguste.atemezing@eurecom.fr> >:

 

Dear Data-web-lovers,
[ My 2 cents to solve this issue... ]

ISSUE-69: Do we include versioning in the bp doc? currently there are no
use cases for it

http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/69

I guess with the second round of UCs [1], we clearly identify that
COMSODE's UC falls into versioning issue [2].

I've just added a new UC regarding BBC's ontologies, available here [3].
I was looking for a requirement dealing with designing URIs and
versioning, to (maybe) make use of the COMURI document.

I've also proposed a new requirement *R-VersionURIDesign*?: “Data should
have a canonical way to design URIs for different snapshot of the
dataset.”

Maybe I didn't check enough the document to find overlaps with existing
requirements. If so, please thanks for pointing the right requirement.

I hope these UCs will motivate the presence of including versioning in
the bp document.

Best,
Ghislain

[1] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Second-Round_Use_Cases
[2]
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Second-Round_Use_Cases#Dataset_version
ing_and_dataset_replication
[3]
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Second-Round_Use_Cases#BBC_ontology_ve
rsioning_and_Metadata 


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