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Re: APIs to work with data on the web

From: Laufer <laufer@globo.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 12:00:16 -0300
Message-ID: <CA+pXJijun0dGpj3x2XqL=ZUOpUeqAPcxLwxvdGJ6oNhiwhfbow@mail.gmail.com>
To: Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com>
Cc: Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>, "manuel.carrasco-benitez" <Manuel.CARRASCO-BENITEZ@ec.europa.eu>, "deirdre.lee" <Deirdre.Lee@deri.org>, Newton Calegari <newton@nic.br>, DWBP WG <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
Makx,

Ruben Verborgh has a work, Linked data Fragments (
http://linkeddatafragments.org/), where he proposes a kind of API to access
collections of data in a more efficient way then direct SPARQL queries.

Laufer



2014-03-18 11:53 GMT-03:00 Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com>:

> Laufer,
>
> Yes I understand.
>
> To be clear, I don't think that APIs are bad in principle. A SPARQL
> endpoint API to search for stuff sounds like a good idea to me -- it's
> something you can't do otherwise. I just happen to agree with Ruben
> Verborgh that direct access on a known item (the one that you have the URI
> for) should be by URI resolution (with content negotiation when
> appropriate).
>
> Makx.
>
>
> 2014-03-18 15:46 GMT+01:00 Laufer <laufer@globo.com>:
>
> Makx,
>>
>> What I am saying is that a SPARQL endpoint is an API.
>>
>> Laufer
>>
>>
>> 2014-03-18 11:41 GMT-03:00 Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com>:
>>
>>> Laufer,
>>>
>>> Your issue is really about Collection Description. Here is some possibly
>>> useful material: http://www.dublincore.org/groups/collections/ and
>>> http://www.dlib.org/dlib/september00/powell/09powell.html.
>>>
>>> The point is that if you want people to find a collection as an
>>> identifiable entity, the collection owner needs to create a Resource with a
>>> URI for the Collection. The description of that Collection can then point
>>> to the members of the Collection. Otherwise, you might be able to do a
>>> SPARQL query to get a set of results.
>>>
>>> Is that what you're asking for?
>>>
>>> Makx.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-03-18 15:23 GMT+01:00 Laufer <laufer@globo.com>:
>>>
>>> Steve, Manuel,
>>>>
>>>> I am not talking only about the Resources. Or, what are the things that
>>>> are exposed as Resources.
>>>>
>>>> For example, in DBpedia there is a Resource for the album Houses of the
>>>> Holy (http://dbpedia.org/page/Houses_of_the_Holy).
>>>> There is also a Resource for the record label Atlantic Records (
>>>> http://dbpedia.org/page/Atlantic_Records), which is the record label
>>>> from the album Houses of the Holy.
>>>>
>>>> What is the URI of all albums of the record label Atlantic Records?
>>>>
>>>> My question is: could it be one Best Practice, recommended by of DWBP
>>>> WG, to provide a way of exposing the "Resource" All Albums of the Record
>>>> Label Atlantic Records?
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Laufer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-03-18 10:18 GMT-03:00 Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.  A few people have agreed with our position below, but some
>>>>> still like the idea of API's for accessing Data.  What is the process W3C
>>>>> uses to resolve these points of view and when it is resolved, does the
>>>>> conclusion get written into the Best Practices draft and/or do we also
>>>>> include the lineage of the conclusion - that is, we we present the pros and
>>>>> cons and reasons for the conclusion by also relating what we didn't
>>>>> recommend and why?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>> Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  From: <Manuel.CARRASCO-BENITEZ@ec.europa.eu> To: Steven
>>>>> Adler/Somers/IBM@IBMUS, <Deirdre.Lee@deri.org> Cc: <
>>>>> mail@makxdekkers.com>, <newton@nic.br>, <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org> Date: 03/18/2014
>>>>> 08:21 AM Subject: RE: APIs to work with data on the web
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> -        Resources should be addressable with a URI
>>>>> -        One should aim a common interface for humans and machine
>>>>>
>>>>> *http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_URI_Best_Practices*<http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_URI_Best_Practices>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Tomas
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Steven Adler [mailto:adler1@us.ibm.com <adler1@us.ibm.com>]
>>>>> * Sent:* Monday, March 17, 2014 4:34 PM
>>>>> * To:* Lee, Deirdre
>>>>> * Cc:* Makx Dekkers; Newton Calegari; public-dwbp-wg@w3.org
>>>>> * Subject:* RE: APIs to work with data on the web
>>>>>
>>>>> Excellent use case which begins to explore and spell out the
>>>>> advantages and trade-offs of using API's to access Open Data.  I would like
>>>>> to explore this topic in greater detail.  My own personal preference is
>>>>> data access by HTTP and URI, because it provides a common interface for
>>>>> humans and machines.  But are there performance implications?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>> Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"
>>>>>
>>>>>  From: "Lee, Deirdre" <*Deirdre.Lee@deri.org* <Deirdre.Lee@deri.org>>
>>>>> To: Newton Calegari <*newton@nic.br* <newton@nic.br>>, Makx Dekkers <
>>>>> *mail@makxdekkers.com* <mail@makxdekkers.com>>  Cc: "
>>>>> *public-dwbp-wg@w3.org* <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>" <
>>>>> *public-dwbp-wg@w3.org* <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>>  Date: 03/17/2014
>>>>> 11:19 AM  Subject: RE: APIs to work with data on the web
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Very interesting article indeed and related to discussions we're
>>>>> currently having with developers as part of Open Data Ireland on how best
>>>>> to publish/use machine-readable data.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've added a use-case on it
>>>>> *https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases*<https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases>Please feel free to add points or pick up on nuances of the conversation
>>>>> that I missed. Perhaps we could break this into multiple use-cases to look
>>>>> at each of the aspects in more detail?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> * From:* Newton Calegari [*mailto:newton@nic.br* <newton@nic.br>]
>>>>> * Sent:* 17 March 2014 13:19
>>>>> * To:* Makx Dekkers
>>>>> * Cc:* *public-dwbp-wg@w3.org* <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
>>>>> * Subject:* Re: APIs to work with data on the web
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Laufer, I didn't know the Socrata.
>>>>> Thanks for share the link, Makx. Very interesting text and point of
>>>>> view about APIs.
>>>>>
>>>>> BR,
>>>>>
>>>>> Newton
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 14/03/2014, (s) 15:58, Makx Dekkers <*mail@makxdekkers.com*<mail@makxdekkers.com>>
>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For a different perspective on APIs, see this:
>>>>> *http://ruben.verborgh.org/blog/2013/11/29/the-lie-of-the-api/*<http://ruben.verborgh.org/blog/2013/11/29/the-lie-of-the-api/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Makx.
>>>>>
>>>>> * From:* Newton Calegari [*mailto:newton@nic.br* <newton@nic.br>]
>>>>> * Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:03 PM
>>>>> * To:* *public-dwbp-wg@w3.org* <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
>>>>> * Subject:* APIs to work with data on the web
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>          Last week, Yaso and I were talking about APIs and how they
>>>>> are important in all aspects of data on the web. APIs are one of the
>>>>> simplest ways to access and to distribute data across the web, and we think
>>>>> that is an important subject to be discussed on the WG.
>>>>>          To talk about APIs, we obviously need to discuss about URI
>>>>> and descriptors. Carrasco written the first document [*1*<http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_URI_Best_Practices>]
>>>>> about it, besides there are a few messages discussing it.
>>>>>          Moreover, I want to share some links I consider relevant and
>>>>> useful to discuss about this topic.
>>>>>          Joshua Bloch, a software engineer and former *Googler*,
>>>>> published an article on InfoQ [*2*<http://www.infoq.com/articles/API-Design-Joshua-Bloch?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffer36801&utm_medium=twitter#.UvbdCPy0BT0.delicious>]
>>>>> site and made a presentation called "How to Design a Good API & Why it
>>>>> Matters" [*3*<http://www.infoq.com/presentations/effective-api-design>]
>>>>> (other Jushua's presentation about the same subject, but the video is
>>>>> hosted on YouTube [*4* <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAb7hSCtvGw>]).
>>>>> These links are very interesting and I recommend to all of you, even who is
>>>>> already expert in API design.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Data on the Web URI Best Practices:
>>>>> *http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_URI_Best_Practices*<http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_URI_Best_Practices>
>>>>> [2] Joshua Bloch: Bumper-Sticker API Design:
>>>>> *http://www.infoq.com/articles/API-Design-Joshua-Bloch?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffer36801&utm_medium=twitter#.UvbdCPy0BT0.delicious*<http://www.infoq.com/articles/API-Design-Joshua-Bloch?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffer36801&utm_medium=twitter#.UvbdCPy0BT0.delicious>
>>>>> [3] How to Design a Good API & Why it Matters:
>>>>> *http://www.infoq.com/presentations/effective-api-design*<http://www.infoq.com/presentations/effective-api-design>
>>>>> [4] How to Design a Good API & Why it Matters (YouTube version):
>>>>> *https://www.youtube..com/watch?v=aAb7hSCtvGw*<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAb7hSCtvGw>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Newton
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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