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Re: doc-pullquote

From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:17:54 -0400
To: Rich Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com>
Cc: Alexander Surkov <asurkov@mozilla.com>, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>, Bogdan Brinza <bbrinza@microsoft.com>, Tzviya Siegman <tsiegman@wiley.com>, "DPUB-ARIA (public-dpub-aria@w3.org)" <public-dpub-aria@w3.org>
Message-ID: <bb0b3e03-9af1-324b-e9f9-9cfa216234b1@igalia.com>
But my understanding is that pullquotes are purely decorative and ATs
shouldn't double present them. Native host language semantics won't
necessarily buy us that, right?

--joanie

On 10/27/2016 12:05 PM, Rich Schwerdtfeger wrote:
> Not mapped only means that the element is not mapped. Hidden should
> apply to the element and its subtree unless a descendant is overridden
> by the element. So, I think a better solution would be to not to expose
> the role at all and allow it to default to the native host language
> semantics. In this case it does not matter whether it has focus or not. 
> 
> In fact, I think it would be best to state that in the mapping spec.
> that defines what it means to not be mapped. We should say that it
> defaults to the native host language semantics and the ARIA role is not
> exposed. 
> 
> Would this not be a better approach?
> 
> 
> 
> Rich Schwerdtfeger
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Alexander Surkov <asurkov@mozilla.com
>> <mailto:asurkov@mozilla.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Thinking more, aria-hidden='true' might be not that bad, even with its
>> ambiguity of the usage and implementations in the browsers. If you say
>> 'not mapped', then I think you should say if this is applied to
>> elements from its subtree, also you may need to clarify the edge
>> cases, for example, what happens, if the focus goes into 'pullquote'
>> element.
>>
>> Having said I would probably prefer if that was the author's
>> responsibility to hide the element from AT, either by moving it
>> offscreen or putting aria-hidden='true' on it.
>>
>> Also I don't quire understand why would we need to have 'pullquote'
>> role in the first place. If pullquote doesn't have semantics, then it
>> doesn't seem worthwhile to have ARIA role for it.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Alexander.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Rich Schwerdtfeger
>> <richschwer@gmail.com <mailto:richschwer@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Based on this discussion:
>>>
>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2016Oct/0029.html
>>>
>>> I want to change the dpub-aam mapping to not mapped for all
>>> platforms. That
>>> includes (not xml-roles values for linux and Windows IA2 mappings).
>>> It means
>>> that the Mac mapping would go form group to not mapped.
>>>
>>> Any disagreement?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> Rich Schwerdtfeger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> 
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