RE: [dpub-aria] @rel (was 20160114 meeting cancelled)

I did not think you were suggesting @rel to ARIA. This is a host language
mapping issue. HTML and SVG both have accessibility api mappings and @rel
has no mapping:
https://www.w3.org/TR/html-aam-1.0/#html-attribute-state-and-property-mappings


There are more than 5 values for rel:
https://www.w3.org/TR/html5/links.html#linkTypes


Rich

Rich Schwerdtfeger



From: "Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken" <tsiegman@wiley.com>
To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
Cc: "DPUB-ARIA (public-dpub-aria@w3.org)" <public-dpub-aria@w3.org>
Date: 01/15/2016 07:26 AM
Subject: RE: [dpub-aria] @rel (was 20160114 meeting cancelled)



Hi Rich,

I just changed the subject line so that people will see this.

Rich has raised some concerns with @rel (in lieu of *ref). Let’s try to
discuss via email because time is of the essence:

Quoting Rich’s message:


Keep in mind this will require:
      New Accessibility API mappings for @rel in HTML 5 that do not exist
      today. Currently @rel is not mapped.
      Adding @rel to SVG
      Dealing with the problem that @rel references a my words (a cesspool)
      of meta data semantics that any mapping to platform accessibility
      APIs would need to sift through.
      Figuring out how to fund AT Vendors to support the new accessibility
      api mappings across platform.
I understand that these are concerns from an accessibility standpoint, but
we are not suggesting adding @rel to ARIA but making use of a valid HTML
attribute. If AT doesn’t recognize @rel, isn’t that already a problem. The
questions we had hoped to discuss next week are the ones associated with
the semantics, and whether the semantics generated by @rel will cause
problems. It is quite troubling that @rel, which should be quite robust
seems to have been restricted to fewer than 5 values.

Thanks,
Tzviya


Tzviya Siegman
Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead
Wiley
201-748-6884
tsiegman@wiley.com

From: Richard Schwerdtfeger [mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 2:48 PM
To: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken
Cc: DPUB-ARIA (public-dpub-aria@w3.org)
Subject: RE: [dpub-aria] 20160114 meeting cancelled



We can discuss this next week but when I heard that you were considering
@rel again it appeared that the group might have forgotten the issues.
Consequently, I sent them out to the group so you have them.

We can certainly discuss these on the list.

Rich


Rich Schwerdtfeger

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08:15:04 AM---Hi Rich, We want to discuss the pros/cons. As"Siegman, Tzviya
- Hoboken" ---01/14/2016 08:15:04 AM---Hi Rich, We want to discuss the
pros/cons. As explained last week, Markus, Matt, and I are meeting d

From: "Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken" <tsiegman@wiley.com>
To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
Cc: "DPUB-ARIA (public-dpub-aria@w3.org)" <public-dpub-aria@w3.org>
Date: 01/14/2016 08:15 AM
Subject: RE: [dpub-aria] 20160114 meeting cancelled




Hi Rich,

We want to discuss the pros/cons. As explained last week, Markus, Matt, and
I are meeting deadlines for EPUB now. Janina had planned to discuss this
next week at APA. If we need to discuss sooner, can we do it over email?

Thanks,
Tzviya

Tzviya Siegman
Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead
Wiley
201-748-6884
tsiegman@wiley.com

From: Richard Schwerdtfeger [mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:09 AM
To: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken
Cc: DPUB-ARIA (public-dpub-aria@w3.org)
Subject: Re: [dpub-aria] 20160114 meeting cancelled



That is unfortunate. I understand that the DPUB people want to go back to
@rel for the special links currently specified in dpub-aria.

Keep in mind this will require:
      New Accessibility API mappings for @rel in HTML 5 that do not exist
      today. Currently @rel is not mapped.
      Adding @rel to SVG
      Dealing with the problem that @rel references a my words (a cesspool)
      of meta data semantics that any mapping to platform accessibility
      APIs would need to sift through.
      Figuring out how to fund AT Vendors to support the new accessibility
      api mappings across platform.

I currently don't support this approach but I am not going to fight it
either. I agree that it does not make sense to create multiple roles for
each type of link. This is reflected in the current specifications.

Rich

Rich Schwerdtfeger

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08:58:50 AM---The 2016-01-14 DPUB-ARIA meeting is cancelled"Siegman, Tzviya
- Hoboken" ---01/13/2016 08:58:50 AM---The 2016-01-14 DPUB-ARIA meeting is
cancelled We'll pick up again shortly.

From: "Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken" <tsiegman@wiley.com>
To: "DPUB-ARIA (public-dpub-aria@w3.org)" <public-dpub-aria@w3.org>
Date: 01/13/2016 08:58 AM
Subject: [dpub-aria] 20160114 meeting cancelled





The 2016-01-14 DPUB-ARIA meeting is cancelled

We’ll pick up again shortly.


Tzviya Siegman
Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead
Wiley
201-748-6884
tsiegman@wiley.com