RE: [dpub-aria] @rel (was 20160114 meeting cancelled)

Hi Rich,

I just changed the subject line so that people will see this.

Rich has raised some concerns with @rel (in lieu of *ref). Let’s try to discuss via email because time is of the essence:

Quoting Rich’s message:

Keep in mind this will require:

  *   New Accessibility API mappings for @rel in HTML 5 that do not exist today. Currently @rel is not mapped.
  *   Adding @rel to SVG
  *   Dealing with the problem that @rel references a my words (a cesspool) of meta data semantics that any mapping to platform accessibility APIs would need to sift through.
  *   Figuring out how to fund AT Vendors to support the new accessibility api mappings across platform.
I understand that these are concerns from an accessibility standpoint, but we are not suggesting adding @rel to ARIA but making use of a valid HTML attribute. If AT doesn’t recognize @rel, isn’t that already a problem. The questions we had hoped to discuss next week are the ones associated with the semantics, and whether the semantics generated by @rel will cause problems. It is quite troubling that @rel, which should be quite robust seems to have been restricted to fewer than 5 values.

Thanks,
Tzviya


Tzviya Siegman
Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead
Wiley
201-748-6884
tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>

From: Richard Schwerdtfeger [mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 2:48 PM
To: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken
Cc: DPUB-ARIA (public-dpub-aria@w3.org)
Subject: RE: [dpub-aria] 20160114 meeting cancelled


We can discuss this next week but when I heard that you were considering @rel again it appeared that the group might have forgotten the issues. Consequently, I sent them out to the group so you have them.

We can certainly discuss these on the list.

Rich


Rich Schwerdtfeger

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Date: 01/14/2016 08:15 AM
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Hi Rich,

We want to discuss the pros/cons. As explained last week, Markus, Matt, and I are meeting deadlines for EPUB now. Janina had planned to discuss this next week at APA. If we need to discuss sooner, can we do it over email?

Thanks,
Tzviya

Tzviya Siegman
Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead
Wiley
201-748-6884
tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>

From: Richard Schwerdtfeger [mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:09 AM
To: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken
Cc: DPUB-ARIA (public-dpub-aria@w3.org<mailto:public-dpub-aria@w3.org>)
Subject: Re: [dpub-aria] 20160114 meeting cancelled


That is unfortunate. I understand that the DPUB people want to go back to @rel for the special links currently specified in dpub-aria.

Keep in mind this will require:

  *   New Accessibility API mappings for @rel in HTML 5 that do not exist today. Currently @rel is not mapped.
  *   Adding @rel to SVG
  *   Dealing with the problem that @rel references a my words (a cesspool) of meta data semantics that any mapping to platform accessibility APIs would need to sift through.
  *   Figuring out how to fund AT Vendors to support the new accessibility api mappings across platform.

I currently don't support this approach but I am not going to fight it either. I agree that it does not make sense to create multiple roles for each type of link. This is reflected in the current specifications.

Rich

Rich Schwerdtfeger

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Date: 01/13/2016 08:58 AM
Subject: [dpub-aria] 20160114 meeting cancelled
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The 2016-01-14 DPUB-ARIA meeting is cancelled

We’ll pick up again shortly.


Tzviya Siegman
Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead
Wiley
201-748-6884
tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>