Re: Trying to move the DPUB-ARIA issue forward

Hi, Rich, Ivan, All:


Also, I plan to raise this question with the HTML-A11Y Task Force
coordination call today, and possible in the TF's telecon. Both are
scheduled, back to back, in the next few hours.

The reason to bring this up in the TF is that the TF exists to resolve
issues between HTML and PF. So, I will be asking what leadership needs
to do to help move us toward a resolution that can have HTML support,
that would also work for PF and D-Pub.

I do think the conversation on list in HTML-WG have been moving forward
reasonably well. No one has stepped up to answer Steve Faulkner's recent
post on thread there asking what's wrong with a prefix. I think we need
to answer, and I suspect the answer will be that prefixing is
unavoidable, but we want to explore which terms might be adopted for
general use without prefix, as well. An FPWD exists, in part, to move
that exploration forward.

e.g. It's clear that "part" will be prefixed. It's our poster child
example for term clash among knowledge domains. Michael Cooper has
separately pointed out that the term ARIA would require prefixing were
someone to step up to do a set of music roles.


So, there may be developments on several fronts today that we can report
on later today and tomorrow. Let's keep talking.

Janina

Richard Schwerdtfeger writes:
> 
> Ivan,
> 
> The ARIA task force is meeting on this today. We are working on an ARIA
> extension mechanism that we made updates to from the last meeting. HTML has
> put in place similar extension strategies.
> 
> Here is the agenda:
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015May/0078.html
> 
> Here is the revised extension mechanism from the last meeting that will be
> taken up today:
> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIAExtensions
> 
> We are NOT sitting on this. Members of your team were on our call and knew
> we were working on it.
> 
> Rich
> 
> 
> Rich Schwerdtfeger
> 
> 
> 
> From:	Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
> To:	Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, Richard
>             Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, Tzviya Siegman
>             <tsiegman@wiley.com>, Markus Gylling <markus.gylling@gmail.com>
> Cc:	Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@bell.net>, Michael Smith
>             <mike@w3.org>, Robin Berjon <robin@w3.org>, W3C PF - DPUB Joint
>             Task Force <public-dpub-aria@w3.org>, Michael Cooper
>             <cooper@w3.org>, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
> Date:	05/14/2015 03:39 AM
> Subject:	Trying to move the DPUB-ARIA issue forward
> 
> 
> 
> Janina, Rich, Tzviya, Markus, everybody else,
> 
> as you can imagine, some of us had some discussion on this issue during the
> AC meeting in Paris. I think we are all also eager to move on with this
> issue as soon as possible. We should also consider the time pressure that
> the DPUB community has in view of IDPF's plans to move towards an EPUB3.1
> version relatively soon.
> 
> To facilitate a resolution, I tried to make a (as far as possible,
> impartial) write-up of the situation we are in and what the available
> solutions are. I have listed 6 different solution paths, I think we should
> try to choose one quickly in case my analysis is o.k.
> 
> Janina, Rich, I have copied this mail (the text itself is public) to the
> dpub-aria mailing list; I am not sure what would be the best additional
> mailing list (if any) where you would want to copy this mail to; feel free
> to forward this based on your best judgement. I have added Mike and Robin
> to this mail on the cc list, who know the HTML community but I have not
> copied this to any HTML WG list; I do not think it is my role to get into
> the direct PF-HTML Working Group discussions.
> 
> It would be good to set up a telco relatively quickly to put an end to this
> impasse by finding the best possible consensus. I do not think it is
> realistic to have it this week (although I may be available tomorrow,
> Friday, afternoon my time in France). Next week I am, unfortunately, at the
> WWW2015 Conference in Italy but, if you guys agree on a timing for a call,
> I may try to find a quiet place to join in. The week after the DPUB
> community gathers in NYC for an IDPF conference, preceded (on Tuesday the
> 26th) by a F2F meeting of the DPUB IG, ie, that week would probably be out
> of a question for a call. I must admit I secretly hope that we can put an
> end to this problem soon (maybe by email?), more specifically by the F2F
> meeting, but if we do not succeed, then be it.
> 
> With that, here is the writeup:
> 
> https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/On-the-ARIA---DPUB-impasse:-listing-of-the-options
> 
> 
> I hope this will help us in moving forward.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ivan
> 
> ----
> Ivan Herman, W3C
> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
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> 
> 
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