Re: [latinreq] Paper sizes?

I agree that page size may be out of scope, but what about "page ratio" ?

Mohamed


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Cramer, Dave <Dave.Cramer@hbgusa.com>wrote:

> Hi Tony,
>
> On 1/5/14 6:30 PM, "Tony Graham" <tgraham@mentea.net> wrote:
>
>
> >Would it be useful to have a section on conventional paper sizes?  Perhaps
> >under the 'Trade' section?  Not really something you'd want for an EPUB, I
> >know, nor really all that useful for someone printing to an A4- or
> >Letter-size printer from their web browser, but might be useful for
> >someone wanting to go to a paper book.
>
> Paper sizes for book printing depend on the manufacturing process, and on
> marketing. We use several dozen different sizes, but it's probably a
> different collection of sizes than an educational publisher, or a STEM
> publisher.
>
> I'm not sure what we could say about paper sizes, other than to list a
> bunch of them. Most production systems I'm aware of let you define
> arbitrary page sizes, and also have presets for common sizes. Page size
> certainly influences design, but again I'm not sure what information we
> could provide.
>
> >
> >Alternatively, you might suppose that someone designing for a Publisher
> >would be told what size to design for and that anybody else could do what
> >works best for them.
>
> In my line of work, the trim size and page count are often known before
> the book is written. It's an external input into our production process,
> driven by marketing and financial considerations. The same considerations
> apply even at the smallest scales. I've printed and perfect-bound some
> books by doing a crude imposition onto letter-sized paper, printing
> duplex, cutting the sheets in half, and then binding and trimming the
> results. So 5.5 inches x 8.5 inches made sense given those constraints :)
>
> >
> >I don't know that you'd want to get into discussing signatures and
> >imposition, though there is an oblique reference to signatures in "The
> >nature of printing and binding also mandate that the number of pages in a
> >book be some multiple of eight, sixteen, or thirty-two pages." in "Book
> >optimization" [1].  (FWIW, that section refers to trade publishing but
> >isn't in the trade publishing section.)
>
> I'd be very happy to declare imposition out of scope! I just wanted to
> mention page count as an external constraint which an advanced automated
> system might need to take into account.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dave
>
>
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >
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> >[1] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/#book-optimization
> >
> >
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