Re: [latinreq] Paper sizes?

Ratio makes a lot of sense when thinking about media queries that exist. This could tie into aspect-ratio http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-mediaqueries/#aspect-ratio

A(n) sizes follow the same ratio so working with them, they could be easily grouped via a ratio query.  


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On Monday, January 6, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Innovimax W3C wrote:

> I agree that page size may be out of scope, but what about "page ratio" ?
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> Mohamed  
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> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Cramer, Dave <Dave.Cramer@hbgusa.com (mailto:Dave.Cramer@hbgusa.com)> wrote:
> > Hi Tony,
> >  
> > On 1/5/14 6:30 PM, "Tony Graham" <tgraham@mentea.net (mailto:tgraham@mentea.net)> wrote:
> >  
> >  
> > >Would it be useful to have a section on conventional paper sizes?  Perhaps
> > >under the 'Trade' section?  Not really something you'd want for an EPUB, I
> > >know, nor really all that useful for someone printing to an A4- or
> > >Letter-size printer from their web browser, but might be useful for
> > >someone wanting to go to a paper book.
> >  
> > Paper sizes for book printing depend on the manufacturing process, and on
> > marketing. We use several dozen different sizes, but it's probably a
> > different collection of sizes than an educational publisher, or a STEM
> > publisher.
> >  
> > I'm not sure what we could say about paper sizes, other than to list a
> > bunch of them. Most production systems I'm aware of let you define
> > arbitrary page sizes, and also have presets for common sizes. Page size
> > certainly influences design, but again I'm not sure what information we
> > could provide.
> >  
> > >
> > >Alternatively, you might suppose that someone designing for a Publisher
> > >would be told what size to design for and that anybody else could do what
> > >works best for them.
> >  
> > In my line of work, the trim size and page count are often known before
> > the book is written. It's an external input into our production process,
> > driven by marketing and financial considerations. The same considerations
> > apply even at the smallest scales. I've printed and perfect-bound some
> > books by doing a crude imposition onto letter-sized paper, printing
> > duplex, cutting the sheets in half, and then binding and trimming the
> > results. So 5.5 inches x 8.5 inches made sense given those constraints :)
> >  
> > >
> > >I don't know that you'd want to get into discussing signatures and
> > >imposition, though there is an oblique reference to signatures in "The
> > >nature of printing and binding also mandate that the number of pages in a
> > >book be some multiple of eight, sixteen, or thirty-two pages." in "Book
> > >optimization" [1].  (FWIW, that section refers to trade publishing but
> > >isn't in the trade publishing section.)
> >  
> > I'd be very happy to declare imposition out of scope! I just wanted to
> > mention page count as an external constraint which an advanced automated
> > system might need to take into account.
> >  
> > Thanks!
> >  
> > Dave
> >  
> >  
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >
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> > >[1] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/#book-optimization
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