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Re: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter

From: Paul Belfanti <Paul.Belfanti@ascendlearning.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 22:25:14 +0000
To: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com>, "'McCloy-Kelley, Liisa'" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>, 'Bill Kasdorf' <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>, 'Leonard Rosenthol' <lrosenth@adobe.com>, 'AUDRAIN LUC' <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>, 'George Kerscher' <kerscher@montana.com>
CC: 'Charles LaPierre' <charlesl@benetech.org>, 'Ivan Herman' <ivan@w3.org>, 'W3C Publishing Steering Committee' <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>, "'W3C Digital Publishing IG'" <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
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+1
I personally think the wording works in either option, but I like Liisa’s suggested modification as it places the “what” before the potential “hows”

Paul
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From: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, March 31, 2017 at 6:04 PM
To: "'McCloy-Kelley, Liisa'" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>, 'Bill Kasdorf' <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>, 'Leonard Rosenthol' <lrosenth@adobe.com>, 'AUDRAIN LUC' <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>, 'George Kerscher' <kerscher@montana.com>
Cc: 'Charles LaPierre' <charlesl@benetech.org>, 'Ivan Herman' <ivan@w3.org>, 'W3C Publishing Steering Committee' <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>, 'W3C Digital Publishing IG' <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Subject: RE: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter
Resent-From: <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
Resent-Date: Friday, March 31, 2017 at 6:04 PM

Completely agree. I expect there will be items that we will need to deal with for both accessibility and usability.

Even if you read the statement as the creation of new technologies and not just adapting and patching holes, a replacement for media overlays is one example of a pending need for accessibility.

Matt

From: McCloy-Kelley, Liisa [mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com]
Sent: March 31, 2017 5:47 PM
To: Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>; Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>; AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>; George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>
Cc: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com>; Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org>; Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>; W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>; W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter

Ok, I had to put it all together to see. Below is Matt’s proposal in context.

Seeing it here and thinking about Bill K’s argument, I have to say that I like what Matt has proposed and agree with Bill’s point that we are just trying to fill in the gaps to make the combo “complete”. That doesn’t mean that parts of it aren’t already a lot of the way there.

[[[
            <p class="mission">
                The <strong>mission</strong> of the <a href="https://www.w3.org/dpub/WG/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fdpub%2FWG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C444c38cb6168450e617608d47868ceba%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636265839072419233&sdata=zpjbmPwlmXS4NE09EL2fIhTXz9zOKwSfB6RgyG0cgfc%3D&reserved=0>">Publishing Working Group</a> is to provide the necessary technologies on the Open Web Platform to make the combination of traditional publishing and the Web complete in terms of accessibility, usability, portability, distribution, archiving, offline access, and reliable cross referencing.
                      All publications—with all their specificities and traditions—should become first-class entities on the Web.
            </p>
]]]

Does it help to reverse it and make the first-class entity statement the initial what and the second sentence the how?

[[[
            <p class="mission">
                The <strong>mission</strong> of the <a href="https://www.w3.org/dpub/WG/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fdpub%2FWG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C444c38cb6168450e617608d47868ceba%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636265839072419233&sdata=zpjbmPwlmXS4NE09EL2fIhTXz9zOKwSfB6RgyG0cgfc%3D&reserved=0>">Publishing Working Group</a> is to enable all publications—with all their specificities and traditions—to become first-class entities on the Web. The WG will provide the necessary technologies on the Open Web Platform to make the combination of traditional publishing and the Web complete in terms of accessibility, usability, portability, distribution, archiving, offline access, and reliable cross referencing.

            </p>
]]]


From: Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com<mailto:bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>>
Date: Friday, March 31, 2017 at 5:11 PM
To: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com<mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>>, AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr<mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>>, George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com<mailto:kerscher@montana.com>>
Cc: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com<mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>>, Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org<mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org<mailto:ivan@w3.org>>, W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org<mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org<mailto:public-digipub-ig@w3.org>>
Subject: RE: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter
Resent-From: <public-publishing-sc@w3.org<mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>>
Resent-Date: Friday, March 31, 2017 at 5:11 PM

Nope, that’s not how I read it. We are going to provide the necessary technologies to ensure that this complete list is met. That doesn’t say that it isn’t already partially met. Otherwise it would be arguable that the entire list is unnecessary, because it is arguable that all of those aspects are addressed in some way or another already too.

Bill Kasdorf

VP and Principal Consultant | Apex CoVantage

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From: Leonard Rosenthol [mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com]
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 4:56 PM
To: Bill Kasdorf; AUDRAIN LUC; George Kerscher
Cc: Matt Garrish; Charles LaPierre; Ivan Herman; W3C Publishing Steering Committee; W3C Digital Publishing IG
Subject: Re: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter

But read what comes before that…
is to provide the necessary technologies on the Open Web Platform

Meaning that we are going to provide things that are missing.  To put accessibility and usability in that mission will be stating that they aren’t already there.

Leonard

From: Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com<mailto:bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>>
Date: Friday, March 31, 2017 at 3:28 PM
To: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com<mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>>, AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr<mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>>, "kerscher@montana.com<mailto:kerscher@montana.com>" <kerscher@montana.com<mailto:kerscher@montana.com>>
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Subject: RE: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter

I disagree. We are talking about what makes “the combination of traditional publishing and the Web complete.” It isn’t complete without those.

Bill Kasdorf

VP and Principal Consultant | Apex CoVantage

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From: Leonard Rosenthol [mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com]
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 3:25 PM
To: AUDRAIN LUC; George Kerscher
Cc: Matt Garrish; Charles LaPierre; Ivan Herman; W3C Publishing Steering Committee; W3C Digital Publishing IG
Subject: Re: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter

I actually want to pose an alternate position.

We are talking here about ADDING things to web – such as portability, archiving, etc.   It already has accessibility and usability!   As such, they don’t belong in this sentence.

So I would strongly recommend returning to the original statement.

Leonard

From: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr<mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>>
Date: Friday, March 31, 2017 at 3:02 PM
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Subject: Re: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter
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Resent-Date: Friday, March 31, 2017 at 3:04 PM

+1
Luc

Le 31 mars 2017 à 20:59, George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com<mailto:kerscher@montana.com>> a écrit :
I like’ Matt’s version.

Best
George

From: Matt Garrish [mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 12:35 PM
To: 'Charles LaPierre' <charlesl@benetech.org<mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>>; 'Ivan Herman' <ivan@w3.org<mailto:ivan@w3.org>>
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Subject: RE: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter

I find "the readers' needs" a bit nebulous as it seems to encompass accessibility already, no? If it stands in for usability+accessibility, maybe call out both instead:

> to make the combination of traditional publishing and the Web complete in terms of accessibility, usability, portability, distribution, archiving, offline access, and reliable cross referencing

(If you don't like the above, a couple of minor nits: it's not an "or" list, and the list would be easier to read without "the" in front of "readers' needs".)

Matt

From: Charles LaPierre [mailto:charlesl@benetech.org]
Sent: March 31, 2017 2:06 PM
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Subject: Re: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter

Can we add “accessibility" to that list,
ie.
     provide the necessary technologies on the Open Web Platform to make the combination of traditional publishing and the Web complete in terms of the readers’ needs, portability, distribution, archiving, offline access, accessibility, or reliable cross referencing.

Thanks
EOM

Charles LaPierre
Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible
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On Mar 30, 2017, at 9:32 PM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org<mailto:ivan@w3.org>> wrote:

I have added a mission statement to the charter (in a separate pull request); it is, essentially, the last paragraph of the (renewed) goal section. It says:

[[[
            <p class="mission">
                The <strong>mission</strong> of the <a href="https://www.w3.org/dpub/WG/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fdpub%2FWG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C444c38cb6168450e617608d47868ceba%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636265839072419233&sdata=zpjbmPwlmXS4NE09EL2fIhTXz9zOKwSfB6RgyG0cgfc%3D&reserved=0>">Publishing Working Group</a> is to provide the necessary technologies on the Open Web Platform to make the combination of traditional publishing and the Web complete in terms of the readers’ needs, portability, distribution, archiving, offline access, or reliable cross referencing.
                      All publications—with all their specificities and traditions—should become first-class entities on the Web.
            </p>
]]]

Please comment, or simply give a thumbs up, on

https://github.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/pull/52<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fdpubwg-charter%2Fpull%2F52&data=02%7C01%7C%7C444c38cb6168450e617608d47868ceba%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636265839072429241&sdata=FPW2DP7DAc3bqRtpmO3eGGYiX8jbQIp0iS1krPTlIs0%3D&reserved=0>

Thanks

ivan

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