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RE: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter

From: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:04:20 -0400
To: "'McCloy-Kelley, Liisa'" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>, "'Bill Kasdorf'" <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>, "'Leonard Rosenthol'" <lrosenth@adobe.com>, "'AUDRAIN LUC'" <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>, "'George Kerscher'" <kerscher@montana.com>
Cc: "'Charles LaPierre'" <charlesl@benetech.org>, "'Ivan Herman'" <ivan@w3.org>, "'W3C Publishing Steering Committee'" <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>, "'W3C Digital Publishing IG'" <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
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Completely agree. I expect there will be items that we will need to deal
with for both accessibility and usability.

 

Even if you read the statement as the creation of new technologies and not
just adapting and patching holes, a replacement for media overlays is one
example of a pending need for accessibility.

 

Matt

 

From: McCloy-Kelley, Liisa [mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com] 
Sent: March 31, 2017 5:47 PM
To: Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>; Leonard Rosenthol
<lrosenth@adobe.com>; AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>; George
Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>
Cc: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com>; Charles LaPierre
<charlesl@benetech.org>; Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>; W3C Publishing Steering
Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>; W3C Digital Publishing IG
<public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter

 

Ok, I had to put it all together to see. Below is Matt’s proposal in
context. 

 

Seeing it here and thinking about Bill K’s argument, I have to say that I
like what Matt has proposed and agree with Bill’s point that we are just
trying to fill in the gaps to make the combo “complete”. That doesn’t mean
that parts of it aren’t already a lot of the way there. 

 

[[[

            <p class="mission">

                The <strong>mission</strong> of the <a
href="https://www.w3.org/dpub/WG/
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org
%2Fdpub%2FWG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C444c38cb6168450e617608d47868ceba%7Cfa7b1b5
a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636265839072419233&sdata=zpjbmPwlmXS4NE0
9EL2fIhTXz9zOKwSfB6RgyG0cgfc%3D&reserved=0> ">Publishing Working Group</a>
is to provide the necessary technologies on the Open Web Platform to make
the combination of traditional publishing and the Web complete in terms of
accessibility, usability, portability, distribution, archiving, offline
access, and reliable cross referencing.

                      All publications—with all their specificities and
traditions—should become first-class entities on the Web.

            </p>

]]]

 

Does it help to reverse it and make the first-class entity statement the
initial what and the second sentence the how? 

 

[[[

            <p class="mission">

                The <strong>mission</strong> of the <a
href="https://www.w3.org/dpub/WG/
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org
%2Fdpub%2FWG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C444c38cb6168450e617608d47868ceba%7Cfa7b1b5
a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636265839072419233&sdata=zpjbmPwlmXS4NE0
9EL2fIhTXz9zOKwSfB6RgyG0cgfc%3D&reserved=0> ">Publishing Working Group</a>
is to enable all publications—with all their specificities and traditions—to
become first-class entities on the Web. The WG will provide the necessary
technologies on the Open Web Platform to make the combination of traditional
publishing and the Web complete in terms of accessibility, usability,
portability, distribution, archiving, offline access, and reliable cross
referencing.

                      

            </p>

]]]

 

 

From: Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com
<mailto:bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com> >
Date: Friday, March 31, 2017 at 5:11 PM
To: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com> >,
AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr <mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>
>, George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com <mailto:kerscher@montana.com> >
Cc: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com <mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com> >,
Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org <mailto:charlesl@benetech.org> >,
Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org> >, W3C Publishing Steering
Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org <mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org
<mailto:public-digipub-ig@w3.org> >
Subject: RE: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter
Resent-From: <public-publishing-sc@w3.org
<mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org> >
Resent-Date: Friday, March 31, 2017 at 5:11 PM

 

Nope, that’s not how I read it. We are going to provide the necessary
technologies to ensure that this complete list is met. That doesn’t say that
it isn’t already partially met. Otherwise it would be arguable that the
entire list is unnecessary, because it is arguable that all of those aspects
are addressed in some way or another already too.

 


Bill Kasdorf


VP and Principal Consultant | Apex CoVantage


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From: Leonard Rosenthol [mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 4:56 PM
To: Bill Kasdorf; AUDRAIN LUC; George Kerscher
Cc: Matt Garrish; Charles LaPierre; Ivan Herman; W3C Publishing Steering
Committee; W3C Digital Publishing IG
Subject: Re: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter

 

But read what comes before that…

is to provide the necessary technologies on the Open Web Platform

 

Meaning that we are going to provide things that are missing.  To put
accessibility and usability in that mission will be stating that they aren’t
already there.

 

Leonard

 

From: Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com
<mailto:bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com> >
Date: Friday, March 31, 2017 at 3:28 PM
To: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com> >,
AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr <mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>
>, "kerscher@montana.com <mailto:kerscher@montana.com> "
<kerscher@montana.com <mailto:kerscher@montana.com> >
Cc: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com <mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com> >,
Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org <mailto:charlesl@benetech.org> >,
Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org> >, W3C Publishing Steering
Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org <mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org
<mailto:public-digipub-ig@w3.org> >
Subject: RE: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter

 

I disagree. We are talking about what makes “the combination of traditional
publishing and the Web complete.” It isn’t complete without those.

 


Bill Kasdorf


VP and Principal Consultant | Apex CoVantage


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From: Leonard Rosenthol [mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 3:25 PM
To: AUDRAIN LUC; George Kerscher
Cc: Matt Garrish; Charles LaPierre; Ivan Herman; W3C Publishing Steering
Committee; W3C Digital Publishing IG
Subject: Re: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter

 

I actually want to pose an alternate position.

 

We are talking here about ADDING things to web – such as portability,
archiving, etc.   It already has accessibility and usability!   As such,
they don’t belong in this sentence.

 

So I would strongly recommend returning to the original statement.

 

Leonard

 

From: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr
<mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr> >
Date: Friday, March 31, 2017 at 3:02 PM
To: "kerscher@montana.com <mailto:kerscher@montana.com> "
<kerscher@montana.com <mailto:kerscher@montana.com> >
Cc: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com <mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com> >,
Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org <mailto:charlesl@benetech.org> >,
Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org> >, W3C Publishing Steering
Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org <mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org
<mailto:public-digipub-ig@w3.org> >
Subject: Re: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter
Resent-From: <public-digipub-ig@w3.org <mailto:public-digipub-ig@w3.org> >
Resent-Date: Friday, March 31, 2017 at 3:04 PM

 

+1

Luc


Le 31 mars 2017 à 20:59, George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com
<mailto:kerscher@montana.com> > a écrit :

I like’ Matt’s version. 

 

Best

George

 

From: Matt Garrish [mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 12:35 PM
To: 'Charles LaPierre' <charlesl@benetech.org <mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>
>; 'Ivan Herman' <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org> >
Cc: 'W3C Publishing Steering Committee' <public-publishing-sc@w3.org
<mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org> >; 'W3C Digital Publishing IG'
<public-digipub-ig@w3.org <mailto:public-digipub-ig@w3.org> >
Subject: RE: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter

 

I find "the readers' needs" a bit nebulous as it seems to encompass
accessibility already, no? If it stands in for usability+accessibility,
maybe call out both instead:

 

> to make the combination of traditional publishing and the Web complete in
terms of accessibility, usability, portability, distribution, archiving,
offline access, and reliable cross referencing

 

(If you don't like the above, a couple of minor nits: it's not an "or" list,
and the list would be easier to read without "the" in front of "readers'
needs".)

 

Matt

 

From: Charles LaPierre [mailto:charlesl@benetech.org] 
Sent: March 31, 2017 2:06 PM
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org> >
Cc: W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org
<mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org> >; W3C Digital Publishing IG
<public-digipub-ig@w3.org <mailto:public-digipub-ig@w3.org> >
Subject: Re: Added a proposed mission statement to the charter

 

Can we add “accessibility" to that list, 

ie.
     provide the necessary technologies on the Open Web Platform to make the
combination of traditional publishing and the Web complete in terms of the
readers’ needs, portability, distribution, archiving, offline access,
accessibility, or reliable cross referencing.

 

Thanks

EOM

Charles LaPierre
Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible
E-mail: charlesl@benetech.org <mailto:charlesl@benetech.org> 
Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y
Skype: charles_lapierre
Phone: 650-600-3301

 

 

On Mar 30, 2017, at 9:32 PM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org> >
wrote:

 

I have added a mission statement to the charter (in a separate pull
request); it is, essentially, the last paragraph of the (renewed) goal
section. It says:

 

[[[

            <p class="mission">

                The <strong>mission</strong> of the <a
href="https://www.w3.org/dpub/WG/
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org
%2Fdpub%2FWG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C444c38cb6168450e617608d47868ceba%7Cfa7b1b5
a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636265839072419233&sdata=zpjbmPwlmXS4NE0
9EL2fIhTXz9zOKwSfB6RgyG0cgfc%3D&reserved=0> ">Publishing Working Group</a>
is to provide the necessary technologies on the Open Web Platform to make
the combination of traditional publishing and the Web complete in terms of
the readers’ needs, portability, distribution, archiving, offline access, or
reliable cross referencing.

                      All publications—with all their specificities and
traditions—should become first-class entities on the Web.

            </p>

]]]

 

Please comment, or simply give a thumbs up, on

 

https://github.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/pull/52
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Thanks

 

ivan


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