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Re: HTML-Note and bibliographies

From: Shane McCarron <shane@spec-ops.io>
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 06:47:15 -0500
Message-ID: <CAJdbnOCSbf1hAyJC3aCdL19OSRK3mhDBfo1Zb7QWqn1FjXPUTA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Cc: Liam Quin <liam@w3.org>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
See my correction e-mail.  However, what you are really talking about is
the "label" for the note, not the actual reference to the note.  Although
they both require (presumably similar) styling.

No - I don't have an obvious solution for styling the label on the note.
Clearly the label needs to be in the DOM just as the displayValue of the
noteref needs to be (otherwise ATs won't work right).

CSS Counter Styles Level 3 [1] (which is a CR) has fairly rich support for
this, and is how I envisioned footnotes being supported natively.  I had
not thought about styling the "counter" on the note itself.  Presumably
that is possible but I am not an expert on that spec nor its take up.

[1] https://www.w3.org/TR/css-counter-styles-3/

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:45 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:

>
> On 26 Apr 2016, at 12:06, Shane McCarron <shane@spec-ops.io> wrote:
>
> In short: yes.  At least, that's my vision.
>
> Something as simple as:
>
> note { vertical-align: super; font-size:80%; }
>
>
> I do not understand. That seems to define the styling for the whole
> (foot)note. What I was referring to is the sign appearing, usually, on the
> left side of the footnote.
>
> I.
>
>
> would achieve what you were talking about.  However, I think I would also
> propose that the default presentation for note is equivalent to the default
> presentation for <sup> anyway...  Since that is typically what is expected.
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:54 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 26 Apr 2016, at 11:04, Shane McCarron <shane@spec-ops.io> wrote:
>>
>> And that wouldn't be a problem at all in the model I proposed.  Use
>> @type="1" and *poof* - arabic numbers.  Different groups for different
>> numbering sequences if you like.
>>
>>
>> There is a more general question, then. Is there an easy *and standard*
>> way to access the number from CSS? Ie, something using note:before, a
>> standard class with a spam, something like that. If that is the case, then
>> I can control whether the arabic number would appear as superscript.
>>
>> (I was really reacting on Liam's comment that the value in the title
>> cannot have markup, ie, <sup>)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 2:38 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 26 Apr 2016, at 01:40, Shane McCarron <shane@spec-ops.io> wrote:
>>>
>>> Comments inline:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Liam R. E. Quin <liam@w3.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 2016-04-25 at 12:07 -0500, Shane McCarron wrote:
>>>> > There was a question in the meeting today about whether a
>>>> > bibliography
>>>> >
>>>> [...]
>>>> >    - If "type" is empty for a note, then prefer its title attribute
>>>> > for
>>>> >    display value
>>>>
>>>> In general it's poor design to take text content from attributes,
>>>> because that precludes having markup (e.g. if a bibliographic reference
>>>> italicizes "et al." in the list of authors or puts a journal volume
>>>> number in bold, or has Japanese ruby annotations). So I'm a little wary
>>>> of this. See [Quin, Rueben, Io _et. al_, 1984_b_] for details :-).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah - I am aware of this (obviously).  But I don't really have a good
>>> alternative that would be both flexible AND easy to use.  The title
>>> attribute accommodates popular citation styles (e.g., APA).   Do you have
>>> an alternate suggestion?
>>>
>>>
>>> Well… I have seen bibliographies in history (my wife is a historian)
>>> where the citation mark is an arabic number in superscript:-(
>>>
>>> Ivan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----
>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Shane McCarron
>> Projects Manager, Spec-Ops
>>
>>
>>
>> ----
>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>> Digital Publishing Lead
>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>> mobile: +31-641044153
>> ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Shane McCarron
> Projects Manager, Spec-Ops
>
>
>
> ----
> Ivan Herman, W3C
> Digital Publishing Lead
> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> mobile: +31-641044153
> ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704
>
>
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Shane McCarron
Projects Manager, Spec-Ops
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